Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1250789)

Qantas originally was due the first 787-8 in July 2009, the first 787-9 in 2011.

Qantas still hods options but cancelled the firm orders. Chances are any pre-delivery payments will be returned to Qantas and the cancellation penalty and the delay penalty wipe each other out.

I have doubt Delta would commit to a jet that has yet to fly in this fiscal environment, but the 787-9 promises to be a much better jet than the 787-8...

Nothing to see here, the 77-300LR is the most likely next order as it has untouchable CASM.
Even better, it hauls more belly cargo than a 747-8 or an A380...

At 350 seats it fits nicely in the "hole" between our 300 and 400 seat jets...


Cheers
George

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1250871)

Don't forget a bunch (300+?) of voluntary furlough and long term Mil LV pilots that will be timing out in the next few years with head of the line over flows as well.

Has anyone seen an actual vs. TA sunshine-up-ur-@ss delivery schedule on the 717? Anyone know where to find one?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1250879)

You have the ones DAL released in the press.

That said, with the AD's and Boeing and LUV asking for more time since they don't have the kits, I would not be surprised in the least to see the delivery schedule get delayed and modified a few times.

Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 1250860)

I was thinking out loud the other day which Ive been told not to do in public in uniform but Would I be too far off If looking at the situation, off the street hiring may not begin until 2014?
Reason I say is becuase if Delta wanted to, they could staff I believe 20-25 per month for a full year and a half with flows from xj and cz. The 717s are not coming until summer of 13, the 737-900's are replacing 757's, you guys are getting more utilization of reserves, and your retirements really dont kick in until 2015 hardcore. So even if bodies are needed, they may just use the flows as needed to fill the spots until the real hiring begins.
Sometimes to get form A to B you have to go to C first and with pinnacle about to fall apart, im trying to get to point C
Any Input?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1250899)

I agree with your assessment. Hard core retirements do not start until 2017. Guys say 2015 because they assume they majority will retire 2 years early. It seems that is not the case. I personally think the flows might not be here until 2015.

Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1250900)

What, no pilot shortage? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1250899)

I agree with your assessment. Hard core retirements do not start until 2017. Guys say 2015 because they assume they majority will retire 2 years early. It seems that is not the case. I personally think the flows might not be here until 2015.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1250911)

No matter how you try to play with the math, the average will not converge on 65, just like the previous average didn't converge on 60. It will be at least a year and probably 2 years early when the averages shake out (even without the early retirements).

I've moved up almost 700 numbers in seniority since the merger, and that is with zero projected retirements and about 300ish early outs.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1250917)

As you know, unless we increase block hrs, a reduction of pilots above you does not benefit you.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1250917)

As you know, unless we increase block hrs, a reduction of pilots above you does not benefit you.