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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
(Post 1315713)
yes, I did read it wrong, sorry. VA got the slots BA had to give up, now they just need jets and presumably crews to do the flying. The Scots might let us do the Aberdeen and Edinburgh to Heathrow flying, they don't consider themselves British anyway. TIC
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So anyone else see a RED CAUTION when reading the following?
In the wee hours of Monday, December 17, the Pinnacle Airlines Negotiating Committee of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, reached a tentative agreement (TA) with Pinnacle Airlines management on a deal that is designed to address the significant financial hurdles that caused the company to file bankruptcy in April 2012 and meet the needs of the pilots. We appreciate the support of all Pinnacle pilots throughout this yearlong ordeal,” said Capt. Tom Wychor, MEC chairman. “Difficult decisions had to be made, but our goal has always been to represent the needs of our pilots.” The Pinnacle MEC met with the Negotiating Committee in Washington, D.C., today to evaluate the terms of the agreement, and are awaiting final language before they vote. Should the MEC approve the TA, the Pinnacle Strategic Preparedness Committee is scheduling a series of informational road shows prior to a ratification vote. “Due to the liquidity issues facing our company, we will need to complete all roadshows and balloting on the new agreement by January 15,” Wychor added. “We intend to get all information out to every Pinnacle pilot as soon as possible so that they can begin to process the information on this important future decision.” Both sides convened in the ALPA D.C. offices Monday, December 10, to begin the round-the-clock bargaining that was necessary to reach an agreement that provides significant cost savings, while at the same time preserving a future for Pinnacle pilots. Senior management from Delta Air Lines also participated in the discussions. Representatives from Delta worked closely with Pinnacle’s management team to facilitate discussions and provide guidance on key questions related to airline fleet and career progression opportunities for the Pinnacle pilots. |
referencing post http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1315754
Why it matters. The idea that other pilot groups are cutting deals with Delta management, circumventing our Representatives, has me very concerned. Even if ALPA will tolerate unauthorized bargaining,* we can't abide. ALPA's Administrative manual states the following, and ethically, it is the right thing to do: “It shall be ALPA's goal to secure contract language in every ALPA agreement which provides for the preferntial hiring of ALPA Represented pilots displaced by furlough, bankruptcy, shutdown, or strike. In furtherance of this goal, each MEC shall use its bet efforts to secure first right of interview for displaced ALPA pilots.” “A carrier that operates 70- or 76-seat aircraft in category A or C may do so only if that carrier and the Company have agreed that the carrier will make offers of employment to furloughed pilots before any other candidate for hire (subject to a furloughed pilots completing the hiring carrier’s standard new-hire airman paper work, meeting the hiring carrier’s standard new-hire airman hiring standards and medical qualifications, satisfying the hiring carrier’s standard background checks, and successfully completing an interview). Such offers will be made in pilot seniority order. A furloughed pilot hired by a Delta Connection Carrier will not be required to resign his Delta seniority number in order to be hired by such carrier. Preferential hiring rights at Delta Connection Carriers for pilots furloughed by the Company provided herein will be in addition to any rights to be hired or to flow down that such furloughed pilots may have pursuant to NWA LOA 2006-10 and LOA #9. The provisions of Section 1 D. 10. will apply to carriers that operate 70- or 76-seat aircraft for the Company as a result of a merger transaction no later than one year after the closing date. 11. The Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve-month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. Airmen who flow up pursuant to LOA #9 and LOA #10 count toward satisfaction of such minimum percentage. 12. The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 D. 11.” And what is the goal of this change? To sell a concessionary agreement which lowers the pay and working conditions of pilots who fly Delta passengers with a flow though. If you share my concern, write your Reps so that can be remedied before this TA language goes out and we have an even larger mess to deal with. Further, I want it made clear, if Delta management wants to sit down and talk to pilot labor, they talk to the Delta MEC. * (references, the principle of "exclusivity" in the Railway Labor Act, local autonomy Article IV, Section 2 of ALPA's Constitution and Bylaws, authority as outlined in Article XVIII Section 1. *There are numerous procedures specific to Section 1 negotiations which appear to have been violated, but I will await the publication of triggering language, if that's the case here) |
Looks like it's not just Delta.
Alaska Airlines and Aeromexico Partner to Make Travel Easier to the United States - Yahoo! Finance |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1315745)
TOC indeed. We don't need to do their intra-Europe. They can shift crews to do the intra-Europe, and we can fly more of the Atlantic, in a cost-effective way.
Since Virgin needs to restructure, there will be some effort on rationalizing the widebody fleet and refocusing on standing up a new narrowbody fleet that does the intra-Europe feed. Virgin has indicated it is in the process of joining SkyTeam. I still imagine DAL will integrate the VA flying into the existing Transatlantic JV. I doubt AF/KLM/AZ will let DAL carve the most lucrative Transatlantic market out of the existing profit-sharing agreement without a fight. Plug in a few more dots and I see a way to have a transaction not unlike the 717/76-seater/50-seater deal, but across multiple continents, carriers and fleets... This deal could work really well for Delta and if we push for the right things, Delta pilots. Cheers George |
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1315776)
This deal could work really well for Delta and if we push for the right things, Delta pilots. it's only a matter of time before the usual DALPA suspects start lowering expectations. But that's OK, since "we'll get 'em next time." |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1315779)
That would require DALPA to push for the "right things." What could possibly go wrong?
it's only a matter of time before the usual DALPA suspects start lowering expectations. But that's OK, since "we'll get 'em next time." |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1315785)
Yes, because taking half the flying and having the other half split up between AF/KLM/Alitalia is really a "we"ll get 'em next time" mentality. :D
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1315792)
So we can expect to hear that announced tomorrow?
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1315757)
referencing post http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1315754
Why it matters. The idea that other pilot groups are cutting deals with Delta management, circumventing our Representatives, has me very concerned. Even if ALPA will tolerate unauthorized bargaining,* we can't abide. ALPA's Administrative manual states the following, and ethically, it is the right thing to do: We Delta pilots ratified a contract which respects this Administrative Manual Goal: Pinnacle's MEC comes along and wants to reorder the preferential hiring or flow to benefit their senior Captains who already have a job. I read that as a modification to what we've ratified in our contract, an unauthorized change by someone unauthorized to even be at the table with Delta management. And what is the goal of this change? To sell a concessionary agreement which lowers the pay and working conditions of pilots who fly Delta passengers with a flow though. If you share my concern, write your Reps so that can be remedied before this TA language goes out and we have an even larger mess to deal with. Further, I want it made clear, if Delta management wants to sit down and talk to pilot labor, they talk to the Delta MEC. * (references, the principle of "exclusivity" in the Railway Labor Act, local autonomy Article IV, Section 2 of ALPA's Constitution and Bylaws, authority as outlined in Article XVIII Section 1. *There are numerous procedures specific to Section 1 negotiations which appear to have been violated, but I will await the publication of triggering language, if that's the case here) |
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