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slowplay 12-08-2012 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1307540)
I suspect he will "shut up and color" for a year or so.......:)

Denny

A couple of the flows didn't get the message last time. All depends on the individual.

Sink r8 12-08-2012 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1307487)
There are several living in Europe. It can certainly be done. You have to get a Long term stay visa which depending on the country could be difficult. There is also the tax issue. You will not be able to claim expatriot status and will owe all US federal income taxes. You might also be taxed in the new country. Do you research carefully and keep in mind the commuting expenses which are not tax deductible. The UK can get very expensive in that regard.

You can be taxed by your country of origin if you elect to, in certain industries. Ours is one of those.

But there is also the new FTDT rules to consider. If you can't back up int'l trips in 2014, it might change the entire equation.

Good luck!

Ferd149 12-08-2012 08:19 AM

Hey Denny,

Shouldn't you be studying young man!!

When do you start school? Jan?

sailingfun 12-08-2012 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1307550)
You can be taxed by your country of origin if you elect to, in certain industries. Ours is one of those.

But there is also the new FTDT rules to consider. If you can't back up int'l trips in 2014, it might change the entire equation.

Good luck!

That is incorrect, I researched this quite a bit and spoke with tax professionals several years ago because I considered living outside the US for a bit. You are confusing state tax law. Federal tax law allows expatriate tax status only on income earned outside the US. A TWA pilot living in the Bahamas flying international took the issue all the way through the court system. The IRS maintained that you are taxed based on your domicile being the place of earnings. The IRS rule was backed by the court system. If you are based in NYC all income is considered earned in the US and you owe full income tax on that money.
If Delta opened a domicile overseas you could then legally claim to be a expatriate however its not likely at the moment we will see that happen. For the moment if your based in the US your taxed in the US regardless of where you reside or the type of flying you do.

georgetg 12-08-2012 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1307538)
Hi George! I don't have to worry about that any more, my youngest started a WSU this last fall. No, I don't have to worry anymore, he just broke his left arm (he's lefthanded like dad:)) the week before finals!!:eek: Well I should say his karate instructor broke it.... So I get to fly over to Pullman and drive him back on either thursday or friday. Whoopee!!:rolleyes:

Oh yeah might has well throw this in too! I start my 6th, yes 6th, day of shortcall at 1500 today, the 8th of Dec..... That's with returning from a trip on the first and 24 hours off given by CS.... :^)

Denny

Dang it, I thought there was a cutoff age ;-)

You know I sat my first sixth short-call last month also with a 155 RAW, and the other guy had a RAW of 39, 0:00CR and 3 shortcalls.

I think seniority should matter on reserve, but some people doing everything and others hardly lifting a finger isn't exactly how the lineholders roll, so why do that when it comes to reserve?

With the upcoming FTDT changes shortcall is defined as "duty"
With that, it should be possible to argue the contractual ADP of 5:15 applies to that duty-period.

AFAIC shortcall should be in open time with a 5:15 credit.
Scheduling posts the start times and length and anybody can pick it up/yellowslip the shortcall...

That would let seniority really matter on reserve...
And conversely fill up the suckers stuck with it if everybody else had their say.

But flying every day to nearly full AND sitting six shortcalls isn't exactly equitable...

Cheers
george

Sink r8 12-08-2012 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1307566)
That is incorrect, I researched this quite a bit and spoke with tax professionals several years ago because I considered living outside the US for a bit. You are confusing state tax law. Federal tax law allows expatriate tax status only on income earned outside the US. A TWA pilot living in the Bahamas flying international took the issue all the way through the court system. The IRS maintained that you are taxed based on your domicile being the place of earnings. The IRS rule was backed by the court system. If you are based in NYC all income is considered earned in the US and you owe full income tax on that money.
If Delta opened a domicile overseas you could then legally claim to be a expatriate however its not likely at the moment we will see that happen. For the moment if your based in the US your taxed in the US regardless of where you reside or the type of flying you do.

Thanks, but you read my post backwards.

You can be taxed in your country of origin in this industry, not the local taxes. You can be taxed US taxes living in the UK. I wasn't talking about avoiding US taxes. If you want UK taxes, you can pay those, but you still have to file US taxes, and there are treaties dealing with that.

Bucking Bar 12-08-2012 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1307568)
Dang it, I thought there was a cutoff age ;-)

You know I sat my first sixth short-call last month also with a 155 RAW, and the other guy had a RAW of 39, 0:00CR and 3 shortcalls.

I think seniority should matter on reserve, but some people doing everything and others hardly lifting a finger isn't exactly how the lineholders roll, so why do that when it comes to reserve?

With the upcoming FTDT changes shortcall is defined as "duty"
With that, it should be possible to argue the contractual ADP of 5:15 applies to that duty-period.

AFAIC shortcall should be in open time with a 5:15 credit.
Scheduling posts the start times and length and anybody can pick it up/yellowslip the shortcall...

That would let seniority really matter on reserve...
And conversely fill up the suckers stuck with it if everybody else had their say.

But flying every day to nearly full AND sitting six shortcalls isn't exactly equitable...

Cheers
george

It is a nepharious plot to keep you from compiling data which calls into question the Company's scope compliance ... they are trying to keep you too busy to cause trouble ... expect an LOA on the matter soon (since ALPA and management agree on the matter), which will only apply to you (and now, me :eek: )

Denny Crane 12-08-2012 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1307543)
A couple of the flows didn't get the message last time. All depends on the individual.


Well there's no accounting for "stoopid!":)

Denny

sailingfun 12-08-2012 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1307576)
Thanks, but you read my post backwards.

You can be taxed in your country of origin in this industry, not the local taxes. You can be taxed US taxes living in the UK. I wasn't talking about avoiding US taxes. If you want UK taxes, you can pay those, but you still have to file US taxes, and there are treaties dealing with that.

That is still not correct. If you live and work in the UK there are rules on how you would be taxed as a US citizen via treaty. If however you live in the UK And commute to work in the US you will pay full US income taxes. You may in some countries be double taxed. Where you earn the income is the key factor and for transportation workers that is defined as your domicile.

Mesabah 12-08-2012 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1307495)
We are, we just differ on why flying is outsourced.

IMO it's not because the outsourced flying is superior to Delta when it comes to service and reliability, but because it's lower cost.

Columbia said it right:



For my company I want all service to be great and reliable.
If poor service and passenger comfort were any criteria of outsourcing, some of the DCI providers would be history...
Quite frankly, as a Delta pilot I'd want the outsourced flying to be cost ineffective.

Cheers
George

Wage arbitrage at the mainline has a lot to do with it as well. It's significantly harder to get meaningful gains in contracts when you have outsourced labor. Negotiating capital must be spent to fight something that should be protected under labor law(free of charge). Management calls this the mainline creep effect.


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