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fisherpilot 02-11-2013 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1350065)
You and me both. My 3 yr old son has now puked 4 times in the last hour. My wife has to work tomorrow and I'm "only on reserve" so I drew the short straw for cleanup duty.

My 3 yr old daughter puked last night too and I was nice enough to let my wife sleep too! Great guys! I'm flying to Denver this afternoon empty. But that 3am show to come back to Atlanta is going to be hurting me with the lack of sleep I got last night:eek:


Hopefully I can get some good Z's in tonight

Bucking Bar 02-11-2013 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1349988)
If the Negotiating Committee violated the policy manual then name the section they violated. Or are you just repeating another set of lies? The process was followed, the MEC voted, and you are just playing sour grapes because you lost.

Alfa,

Would it be correct to state "the MEC voted in agreement, rendering any speculation with regard to noncompliance moot?"

I would like to know your thoughts on ALPA National enabling Pinnacle to do a pilot contract with Delta management without even a "how do you do" to the Delta MEC. Do you agree with Bill Robert's redefinition of "Delta flying" to only that flying performed by Delta pilots currently? Are you aware his previous statements on the record were clear that Delta flying includes the flying we perform, as well as the flying we permit? Do you agree there is significance in that change in perception among our leadership? What is your opinion on "Delta flying" speaking only for yourself?

Bucking Bar 02-11-2013 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1350164)
My 3 yr old daughter puked last night too and I was nice enough to let my wife sleep too! Great guys! I'm flying to Denver this afternoon empty. But that 3am show to come back to Atlanta is going to be hurting me with the lack of sleep I got last night:eek:


Hopefully I can get some good Z's in tonight

Hopefully you can.

Not saying you are fatigued, but if you are, we have plenty of reserves.

Bucking Bar 02-11-2013 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1349998)

They stopped putting IFE in the 73Ns as well. Yet they continue to be utilized on the longer segments. There are other things at play, I suspect.

Got no idea what is up, but one of our 737's was used as a testbed for wireless internet technology block to block. During recurrent there was mention made of seeing a few extra antennae.

I imagine we might be looking at a next gen IFE / Internet / Comm / Flight Bag concept.

A tablet would be a lot cheaper and more upgradeable than the Panasonic system.

Wasatch Phantom 02-11-2013 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1349902)
I'm not sure you picked the best way to make your point. Considering what you said about prevailing rates, 12.5%+ seems pretty healthy.

No Sink, you didn't understand...

DALPA's argument was we are getting this deal now, as opposed to negotiating for say another year or two. They more-or-less admitted the "pay raises" (more correctly partial restoration) were not very large, but then justified them with the TVM argument.

If interest rates are say 2% per year, then negotiating for an additional 12 months costs you 2%. But if you then got a "raise" greater then 2% you come out ahead. If I still haven't explained it well enough I suggest you Google "time value of money" and hopefully someone else will do a better job than I. (My (admittedly meager) excuse is my finance degree is over 30 years old.)

Yes, we got a 4% increase last July 1, but historically speaking any increases after the amendable date are paid to the pilots as "retro pay". So the new contract got you six months of a 4% increase.

Interest rates are literally at record lows, which means the TVM is also at record lows. The incentive to negotiate a fast (but mediocre) contract wasn't there if money is cheap as it is now. Perhaps you're happy with our contract and the pay raises - I was stunned at how poorly DALPA negotiators did, and what the pilot group settled for.

Generally speaking it's better to negotiate when the economy is healthy. Clearly the US and world economies are struggling, yet Delta is making record profits. As the economy picks up steam Delta will make even more money yet we've locked ourselves out of that, indeed partially negotiated that away in the form of reduced profit sharing.

Again, If you're content, I'm happy for you. Of the First Officers I fly with a substantial percentage have been narrowbody First Officers for well over 10 years. I think it's fair to say in many cases money is "tight" at their households. When the transmission craps out on their 10 year-old car with 150K on the odometer it's big deal. They white slip above the ALV not because they want to, but because they have to. Similarly they take advantage of the pay/no credit for vacation because they "have to" to make ends meet.

SailorJerry 02-11-2013 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1350172)
Got no idea what is up, but one of our 737's was used as a testbed for wireless internet technology block to block. During recurrent there was mention made of seeing a few extra antennae.

I imagine we might be looking at a next gen IFE / Internet / Comm / Flight Bag concept.

A tablet would be a lot cheaper and more upgradeable than the Panasonic system.

New antennae you say?

http://pacificfreeze.ips-dc.org/wp-c...-06-001017.jpg

fisherpilot 02-11-2013 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1350168)
Hopefully you can.

Not saying you are fatigued, but if you are, we have plenty of reserves.

If they are checked out on a Lear 60 send them my way:). I'd take the relief. My wife isn't thrilled about me working 7 straight! Not a DAL pilot..... Just a wannabe!

johnso29 02-11-2013 06:14 AM

Clark Howard can suck an egg!
 
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dalad 02-11-2013 06:51 AM

All of you discussing babies, reminds me of the payraise I got when they were out of diapers/ pull ups. Looking forward to grand babies now.

Mem9guy 02-11-2013 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1349914)
If people are willing to take WS at single pay, so that very few get a GS as it stands now, and you make it MORE attractive to pick time above 80, the amount of double pay will take a further hit. You let 1.5 in, you might as well kiss 2.0 goodbye altogether.

I hear this logic about picking up WS flying a lot, but l still want to know how me not picking up a WS so someone else can get a GS is going to help me pay my bills?

Disclaimer: I am a reserve guy, so WS does not come in to play for me. I am junior in a small category so GS don't make it down to me either. I see the the GS system help the same handful of people month after month, and not really get spread around much.


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