No, they will use some of the new jumbo RJ's for that......the 767's will go to desert.

This is not quite as rosy of a picture as you paint for AA/US and UCAL. Both AA and United have pilots on furlough and both mergers are going to have huge SLI issues. The Cal side is hiring off the street because the furloughed United guys won't take the jobs under the present terms.

Alaska is a situation that does trouble me as well. I would much rather have organic growth on the west coast.

Now I do agree it would be good to see forward movement and I will be concerned if I don't see a WB order in the next 18 months.

But the grass may not be greener at the new AA or UCal

I guess I agree, hire till you furlough. When the jumbo RJs start to show up at AA and UAL I cannot imagine they will need even their current staffing. Just blows my mind we were on the cusp of recovering from stagnation and now, realistically, we are likely to end up overstaffed. The ONLY ace in our stack is if pilots stop taking jobs at places like Skywest and the connection carriers become unstaffable. However, Delta signing the agreement with pinnacle, much like AA did with Eagle, is a great recruitment tool although it may never actually happen except for the rare few.

You quote my post, but then you don't even read it. Then you say I'm lying. You seem to be insinuating that I stated MD's are a greater percentage than anything else on our AE's.

Here's my post again for your review:

There is nothing about this that's a lie and you know it. You're desperately trying to rewrite history and make your efforts not look as bad as they were.

What a horrible thing to say. Those reps DIDN'T TRY to convince their members to vote NO. They only voiced their opinions and concerns, then told us to vote as we saw fit. You and the other MEC bureaucrats on the other hand, went on a selling rampage based on half-truths and self-serving statements. Our reps' actions were honorable. Our MEC administration's actions were dishonorable.

The process was not followed. That's why there was the recent turnover among MEC bureaucrats. My reps wrote chapter and verse on how the process was not followed.

I don't want to clog up this thread again with you and I going at it. Take it to PM's if you have any more dishonorable BS to spread.

Carl

Much better avatar man. Much better!

Carl

And lets not forget, a bunch of beautiful 90 seat rjs dressed up as 76 seaters:rolleyes:

TEN

I already stated my opinion and you didn't like it. I believe that the Pinnacle pilots met with us over scope negotiations and that satisfied the language of the Ford-Cooksey settlement. As I said before, that language is intentionally vague and you can drive a truck through it. It is that way because Delta pilots wanted it that way. You disagree and I respect your opinion, we happen to disagree. My concern was on the human side, Pinnacle is going from 181 jets to 81. That is a lot of human wreckage and as a fellow union member I believe in giving a hand to our fellow union members, I would welcome any Pinnacle pilot onto our list. Maybe I am going soft (or soft headed) in my old age.

I don't know anything about this other than the public press reports. I haven't spoken with anyone about this ever and I have no idea what anyone has said or didn't say, therefore I won't comment on speculation and hearsay, it is not fair to anyone involved. With great joy and relief, I am "out of the loop" and have no intention of getting back "in the loop".

I don't know what the MEC is thinking or the MEC Administration, I have not spoken with anyone about this. The last time I saw anyone from the administration was at a football party and thankfully we did not talk about ALPA crap. It is someone else's turn to worry about this junk because I am done with it. I assume that the MEC will address this in detail at the next meeting (tomorrow) and perhaps your rep (or incoming rep) can give a detailed recap.

Then why are you still here spewing DALPA talking points?

Yes, yes. We've got it. you are trying to separate yourself from all the failure you helped propagate.

It becomes more and more apparent with each passing day that we got bamboozled on the contract. Why can't DALPA just admit we got our clocks cleaned?

Rather than telling us how they plan to rectify it, they just continue the demagoguery and jedi mind tricks.

The well is poisoned. We'll never achieve our earnings/lifestyle potential with DALPA (and its self-serving, self-preserving agenda) on the property.

He wants confirmation that he didn't contribute to further decline in the industry, despite all the indicators pointing that way.

Absolutely!