Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1307184)

The best applicants will become few and far between, Delta will miss out if it waits to long to hire.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1307184)

The best applicants will become few and far between, Delta will miss out if it waits to long to hire.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1307186)

What's a "best applicant"?

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1307186)

What's a "best applicant"?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1307190)

I would say the highest qualified (command time, instructor, special projects) with the best personality that really wants to work here and represent us well.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1307194)

Your company even painted "World's Best Employee's Onboard" on the side of every bus in DTW.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1306863)

well. .. my kid found the computer. thought it was a trampoline.. . just guess how that turned out.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1306683)

Pay banding would certainly help, but so is going to all F/O and DGS instructors.

Just after the merger I was talking to one of our (DL south) CP's about the merger, the differences, what was going to chage, stay the same, etc. and he said to me, "NW has over 400 SLI, Captain Instructors! That's the first thing that's going to change!"

Delta South has been using F/O's and DGS (retired pilots) for instructors since about 2002. I don't like it, but it is what it is; a concession we gave the company, "To Survive" after 9-11.

So you've all seen what's happened since 2008. MSP training is now in ATL, and I'm guessing there are very few "Line Captain" instructors left. That means 400 NW Capt's came back to the line. That's 400 pilots we didn't need to hire. Some of them were probably replaced by retired instructors, the rest by F/O's.

Sniff Sniff...What's that smell??

Synergy! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1306683)

Pay banding would certainly help, but so is going to all F/O and DGS instructors.

Just after the merger I was talking to one of our (DL south) CP's about the merger, the differences, what was going to chage, stay the same, etc. and he said to me, "NW has over 400 SLI, Captain Instructors! That's the first thing that's going to change!"

Delta South has been using F/O's and DGS (retired pilots) for instructors since about 2002. I don't like it, but it is what it is; a concession we gave the company, "To Survive" after 9-11.

So you've all seen what's happened since 2008. MSP training is now in ATL, and I'm guessing there are very few "Line Captain" instructors left. That means 400 NW Capt's came back to the line. That's 400 pilots we didn't need to hire. Some of them were probably replaced by retired instructors, the rest by F/O's.

Sniff Sniff...What's that smell??

Synergy! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1307137)

So should we have tried to get all the guys on Mil Leave fired or should we try to take away their rights to return to work? Let's ignore all the federal laws we would be breaking and assume that we could have done that. Should we have done that?

Who the Hey ever suggested that? Straw man alert

No one can predict what individuals are going to do. They have their rights and they are well earned. If they want to come back to fly then they will, if they stay on with the military then they will. There is no way to try to conjure up what they will do.

More straw men

As for the EU aspect, you are just making that up. No one ever mentioned the situation in the EU and no one tried to make some prediction one way or the other.

Exactly. It wasnt mentioned at all - until the TA ink was dry and then we are not hiring because of the economy and the EU, and the Mil Leaves returning.

The situation there has degraded beyond what most experts predicted back in the early summer. Now the ECB is predicting another recessionary year in the EU, down from a prediction of growth just a few months ago. Your contention that DALPA should have better predictive capabilities than the ECB is quite ridiculous.

From what I've heard is there was constant doom and gloom from the SPC and EF&E - until the TA needed to be sold, then it was balloons and favors, then it's the economy and EU again.

Since the TA we have had two AE's. On a rough basis there have been 300 pilots move to higher paying positions, 90 move to lower paying positions, and 100 Captain upgrades. If backfilling is occurring with mil leave pilots returning, then that's the way it is.

You have a brother named Sherlock?

People are allowed to disagree with the union. They just shouldn't tell lies to try to make their point.

Try taking your own advice.

It seems that the standard for one group of people is perfection and the standard for another group is whatever story they can make up.