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forgot to bid 12-06-2012 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1306486)
Haven't seen anything posted about this:


Delta Buys 49 Used MD-90s to Control Costs [VIDEO]

Read the comments section on that article, it kind of explains the errors in the article.

johnso29 12-06-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1306502)
If my memory serves, there was a connection carrier out of compliance with gross weight. DALPA was very anti-grievance filing with regard to that.

In fact, if memory serves, tried to squelch the DAL pilot(s) whistleblower(s).

So, in a ssdd way, I'm not holding my (DALPA cheerleader) breath.

Republic Airlines released a memo to its pilots indicating they would be performing mods to their EMB175's to raise the MGTOW from 86K to 89K. A Republic pilot posted the memo on this forum, and junior Delta scope hawks(myself included) bombarded our reps with calls and emails. The mods never occurred.

gloopy 12-06-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1306406)
Do you have a large number of friends hang themselves?

Say what?

Listen, I'd love to look at our trajectory and see massive growth. Or even merger levels. Or even current 1000 under merger levels. But I'm just not seeing it. Should we sit around and talk about how great things are to bolster morale, ignoring reality going on around us?

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1999...e_liar_001.jpg

I guess we could do that.

But why? Who among us will benefit from spreading false wish based optimism and ignoring present threats and risks we face?

That said, please dispute me or anyone that is concerned about our trajectory of shrinkage. I'm not a slave to any paradigm just for the sake of itself and will gladly buy into a different outlook. But I'm going to need to see the details of that outlook. And mabe at least a little empirical proof of it actually starting to happen.

gloopy 12-06-2012 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1306464)
Yes, sir. Any extra airplanes I want are on top of the airplanes we already have. I don't want to give anything up.

Long live the DC-9!

Does the 717/EC-9 count? (Electric/Conditioned 9)

gloopy 12-06-2012 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1306469)
Neutral for the airline pans out for mainline growing by that much. That's how much lift is being lost at DCI.

True, and I agree. However there is way more too it than that. Even if all 88 717's are DL pilot growth from 50 seat RJ lift (less the 17 DC-9's that will leave, and they will leave) there are many other areas of our fleet/pilot staffing that can be reduced to more than make up for that particular subset of net additional DL pilot positions.

80ktsClamp 12-06-2012 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1306546)
True, and I agree. However there is way more too it than that. Even if all 88 717's are DL pilot growth from 50 seat RJ lift (less the 17 DC-9's that will leave, and they will leave) there are many other areas of our fleet/pilot staffing that can be reduced to more than make up for that particular subset of net additional DL pilot positions.

That would have to come with concessions from ALPA, though, amirite?

gloopy 12-06-2012 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1306553)
That would have to come with concessions from ALPA, though, amirite?

Not so sure about that.

Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.

And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.

And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.

Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.

Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.

80ktsClamp 12-06-2012 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1306555)
Not so sure about that.

Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.

And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.

And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.

Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.

Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.

Sorry man... you're reaching too far here. Even with only 720 planes, our May 2013 22D2 report shows 9749 pilots required. That is not a functional airline at that point as we all should know.

Contractual givebacks would have to be done in order for this 9000 pilot absurdity to happen.

johnso29 12-06-2012 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1306555)
Not so sure about that.

Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.

And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.

And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.

Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.

Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.

The gloopy mega drama continues. Are you ever not pessimistic? What was you reaction when you were offered the job at Delta? Lol!

PilotFrog 12-06-2012 05:47 PM

I have a question about Union dues.

Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.

I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.


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