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tsquare 12-12-2012 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1309890)
Here is a thought with the JV, if there are 20 flgihts from JFK-LHR, give AA/BA a wink wink and take our 7 from the DL/VA codeshare and knock it down to 4.

Just use 3 VA A380s (instead of 744/346/330/330) and 1 DL 764 or 333 and cut capacity by a crowd pleasing 5% on the route and free those 3 extra slots up!!!!

The good part about that, we don't have to fly the...

http://www.deltava.org/gallery/dva/0x4c00.jpg



That airplane is ugly no matter how it's painted. And pound for pound, I'd rather have more 777s.

boog123 12-12-2012 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1309870)
Delta has a bright future. The financials look strong and management is excited about all our Joint Ventures and alliances.
The operation is running like a Swiss watch. All the metrics are excellent. On time, lost bags, completion factor, customer complaints, D-Zero, etc. etc. all look fantastic and continue to improve.
And they are making the Trainer refinery sound like a license to print money.

BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
The "network" will grow but they are planning to shrink the "Delta" portion of the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down again to possibly flat in 2014.
And if we go over this fiscal cliff and the economy tips back into recession - watch out, they are ready to park a bunch of jets.

Glad I didnt buy into the hiring "pitch" when it was being tossed around. Sure hope the opposite doesn't happen.

sailingfun 12-12-2012 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1309870)
Delta has a bright future. The financials look strong and management is excited about all our Joint Ventures and alliances.
The operation is running like a Swiss watch. All the metrics are excellent. On time, lost bags, completion factor, customer complaints, D-Zero, etc. etc. all look fantastic and continue to improve.
And they are making the Trainer refinery sound like a license to print money.

BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
The "network" will grow but they are planning to shrink the "Delta" portion of the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down again to possibly flat in 2014.
And if we go over this fiscal cliff and the economy tips back into recession - watch out, they are ready to park a bunch of jets.

Off course Delta mainline capacity is projected to be up in the second half of 2013 and up quite a bit in 2014. You knew that of course but choose not to point that out for some reason. System wide capacity including DCI will be flat to down slightly. Personally I could care less that DCI is getting a big cut while the mainline is growing.

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1309921)
Off course Delta mainline capacity is projected to be up in the second half of 2013 and up quite a bit in 2014. You knew that of course but choose not to point that out for some reason. System wide capacity including DCI will be flat to down slightly. Personally I could care less that DCI is getting a big cut while the mainline is growing.

Didn't see that slide either.

But, you never answered your post stating that we should excuse the deficit in our production balance with Air France ... I'm really interested in your explanation.

According to management's own projections, they have no intention of complying. It would take something like an increase from 45 to 56 or 57% of the available EASK's.

What part of our contract should we not seek compliance with and how much is "fair" to compensate management for the difficulty they are having restraining themselves as they pay for "our share" of A380 and 777 flying in Air France colors?

Since you're ignoring the question, I'll try to make it less work for you to reply. Kindly select from the choices enumerated below. This is:
  1. None of your business you junior pilot putz
  2. Not really happening since the measurement period is a year and a half away and we'll renegotiate before enfocement kicks in
  3. I don't care. I'm senior to this problem
  4. YIPPEE, bargaining leverage :)

Check Essential 12-12-2012 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1309921)
Off course Delta mainline capacity is projected to be up in the second half of 2013 and up quite a bit in 2014.

Doesn't that depend on what they decide to do with the 757s?

hoserpilot 12-12-2012 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1309921)
Off course Delta mainline capacity is projected to be up in the second half of 2013 and up quite a bit in 2014. You knew that of course but choose not to point that out for some reason. System wide capacity including DCI will be flat to down slightly. Personally I could care less that DCI is getting a big cut while the mainline is growing.

We don't defend sailing enough on this board. I'll step up this time. Sailing is right. Our flying will increase with the 717's and hopefully increase with the 737's as well. The key word is "system" capacity is flat.

johnso29 12-12-2012 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1309870)
Delta has a bright future. The financials look strong and management is excited about all our Joint Ventures and alliances.
The operation is running like a Swiss watch. All the metrics are excellent. On time, lost bags, completion factor, customer complaints, D-Zero, etc. etc. all look fantastic and continue to improve.
And they are making the Trainer refinery sound like a license to print money.

BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
The "network" will grow but they are planning to shrink the "Delta" portion of the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down again to possibly flat in 2014.
And if we go over this fiscal cliff and the economy tips back into recession - watch out, they are ready to park a bunch of jets.


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1309882)
Now, IMHO, the "9,000 pilot force" rumor doesn't seem so ridiculous..
I need some cheerleading, where is Bill?

Why is it that people always forget that when management speaks of Delta Air Lines capacity, said capacity includes RJ flying? Decreased capacity does NOT necessarily mean decreasing mainline flying.

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1309927)
We don't defend sailing enough on this board.

Well, that's your opinion Man.


Charlie Sheen is better at defending long term commitments than Sailingfun.

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1309926)
That's not what they told the analysts in the Q&A.
They showed one slide with our mainline hull count trending down, not up.
And they continued to emphasize our intent to use "capacity discipline" to maintain and manage our revenue premium.

Sailing won't reply if you contradict him with facts ... .

SailorJerry 12-12-2012 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1309928)
Why is it that people always forget that when management speaks of Delta Air Lines capacity, said capacity includes RJ flying? Decreased capacity does NOT necessarily mean decreasing mainline flying.

I'll just quote the chart from the investor day slide. (Page 19 for those keeping score).

2009
50 seaters - 474
70/76 seaters - 219
Mainline - 594
Total - 1287
Average Gauge - 102

2015
50 Seaters - 125
70/76 Seaters - 295
Mainline - 675
Total - 1095
Average Gauge - 122

(Edit: To clarify, this is domestic fleet count. Approximately 150 aircraft are not included)


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