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sailingfun 12-12-2012 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1310069)
Nice pivot. My question stands. How many LHR slots did Delta have before the AF JV?

Extra credit: How did Delta acquire its LHR slots?

Zero, AF gave us the slots.

alfaromeo 12-12-2012 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1310051)
Both slow and alfa lost their positions... slow may be up for another position, though- we'll see.

Sometimes you are a small person. Both slow and alfa DECIDED not to stay around after being asked to stay. I hope you realize that neither of us is unhappy in any way we have been looking for the exit door for a long time, I now get to work less and get paid more. But if your life is so small that it makes you happy to believe that we are weeping in our beers then go for it. This is part of the sad, pathetic politics of personal destruction that leads to a dysfunctional union unable to protect their members interests. Let's wallow in the muck a little more and see how that works for us.

sailingfun 12-12-2012 11:06 AM

I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.

80ktsClamp 12-12-2012 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1310105)
I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.

The only reason they are still in compliance is because of the relief given by the union on the window! :eek:

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1310105)
I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.

Never mind ... was going to say "thanks" but he again suggests that I quit working here :rolleyes:

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1310026)
Bar , if you believe even half the stuff you post why don't you vote with your feet, show some courage and get out!

You first. After a little calling around, you learned that in fact...

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1310105)
The numbers posted by Bar are correct.

You now state that you share the goal of contract compliance and I am happy to welcome you on board. ... bygones

hockeypilot44 12-12-2012 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1310065)
The quickest way to find out exactly what's going on, and where the sims are, is to pick up the phone and call your Fleet Captain, that's what he's there for. Ask him all those questions, he will know the answers.

If you are ATL Based, until Jan. 1, you will have to pay for your own motel if you need one in ATL. I use the Motel 6 on Virginia Av. about $46 out the door.

I used that Motel 6 once. Never again. I'm a cheap ass, but I have some standards.

hockeypilot44 12-12-2012 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1310105)
I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.

Section 1 is the most important part of our contract. If we can't enforce it, we are done.

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1310104)
Both Slow and Alfa were asked to stay and took other opportunities. (slight edit)

Thank you for your service.

It was not an easy tenure with the issues we faced as a pilot group. The team leaves a strong legacy of tangible results, especially when measured by the datum of our peer group over the same period of time.

While we vigorously debate the issues and occasionally disagree, we always share a common goal of doing our best to improve the job protections, pay and working conditions of our pilots.

Among ALPA members, we are always among friends.

Bucking Bar 12-12-2012 11:46 AM

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