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Originally Posted by lolwut
(Post 1281346)
Connection carriers operate a completely substandard operation where professionalism and product is put behind cost. The result is a circus that should embarrass everyone involved. It really is sad that you try so hard to give your customers a good trip and then they encounter the Connection product. It is a lot more than just hats, its the employees, work ethic, management, etc.
This is what happens when you outsource. The safety disparity we've seen in recent history IMO can be directly attributed to their lowest cost by any means necessary gets the bid world they operate in. Good pilots under crappy contracts, many barely or unable to feed even a frugal family, with bare bones dispatching and MX operating in networks spread tissue thin across the country in the name of hub diversity flying higher cycle, longer duty days than mainline on average is going to generate some degree of that disparity every time. So it isn't the pilots' fault at the regionals, nor is it even really the managements at the regionals' fault. If anyone along the chain does anything to endanger their cost advantage they get destroyed during the next RFP, if not sooner, even if they are operating well and profitably. That is the cancer of the core level outsourcing we see, and something we should all be able to agree on. Mainlines have to work harder on taking flying back. It is truly in the best interests of the piloting profession for economic and safety reasons and the customer/network/brand all around. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1281344)
They do, as the public doesn't really even know who they are flying on with their "Delta" ticket. But that's part of the problem, not the solution. We need much stricter language to control this false advertising than we have. That was brought up by some during the last negotiations but little was done about it.
Of course, one day I hope to be able to answer the question. ;) |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1281344)
They do, as the public doesn't really even know who they are flying on with their "Delta" ticket. But that's part of the problem, not the solution. We need much stricter language to control this false advertising than we have. That was brought up by some during the last negotiations but little was done about it.
Tiny little "operated by" stickers aren't sufficient. I'd be in favor of contract language forbidding a common paint job and forcing all itineraries that don't touch mainline to generate tickets with exclusively the OAL name(s) and logo(s) with "Delta" only being in tiny fine print with asterisks and ball flags leading you to the back of the ticket to figure that part out. I'd also insist on prominent PA's that emphasise the OAL carrier exclusively. As for uniforms, we don't want ACMI cheap labor providers being seamless for the customer. We want the opposite. So WRT uniforms, its a good thing that ours is distinctive and, honestly, better by quite a bit compared to most of the fake virtual airlines our company is allowed to "partner" with without using our pilots. |
Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 1281262)
Im guessing the ALV increases and or headcount cost is big. I think ALPA said that the contract requires 270 fewer pilots. Im not sure what our average pilot cost is. About 140 a year plus medical etc. cost at a minimum.
270 X 140,000 = 37,800,000 3 years X 37,800,000 = 113,400,000 So by reducing the pilot headcount by 270, the company saved 113 million throughout the life of the contract? These are obviously rough numbers, just trying to illustrate that the reduced pilot jobs is a huge savings for the company. I'd love to see the amount of $$$ required for each section of our contract. The total efficiencies granted to the company were in the 125-150 neighborhood after adding in the work rule gains, NOT 270. Your math is off by about double, but yes the ability to 'not fill' 150 seats *could be* a reduction in roughly 2 pilots in each each category not adding to pilot costs on the companies' bottom line. 1% in payrates is roughly $23m/year. |
Delta Is No. 1 as Profitable Air Cargo Beats U.S. Peers - Bloomberg
Delta is on a five-month streak of gains in cargo traffic, bolstering the bottom line ahead of tomorrow’s quarterly earnings report. The cargo operations produce $1 billion in annual sales and profit margins that have topped 50 percent because goods are flown on jets with fare-paying passengers. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1281344)
They do, as the public doesn't really even know who they are flying on with their "Delta" ticket. But that's part of the problem, not the solution. We need much stricter language to control this false advertising than we have. That was brought up by some during the last negotiations but little was done about it.
Tiny little "operated by" stickers aren't sufficient. I'd be in favor of contract language forbidding a common paint job and forcing all itineraries that don't touch mainline to generate tickets with exclusively the OAL name(s) and logo(s) with "Delta" only being in tiny fine print with asterisks and ball flags leading you to the back of the ticket to figure that part out. I'd also insist on prominent PA's that emphasise the OAL carrier exclusively. As for uniforms, we don't want ACMI cheap labor providers being seamless for the customer. We want the opposite. So WRT uniforms, its a good thing that ours is distinctive and, honestly, better by quite a bit compared to most of the fake virtual airlines our company is allowed to "partner" with without using our pilots. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1281265)
You see a pilot making $1,803 LESS in 2013 with the new agreement.
I see that same pilot making $13,549 MORE in 2013 with the agreement. Was the PS change worth it?
Originally Posted by groundstop
(Post 1281281)
Instead of "public math" you should have called it "public spin". The profit sharing change was NOT worth it, because we shouldn't have given a single concession in this contract. ALPA saw differently on that matter.
Is a first full-year increase of over $13k per $100k in earnings NOT worth it? By your reasoning.....err, I mean feeling, NO. The majority of Delta Pilots used their reason and logic and decided differently. You can sharpshoot a specific attribute and yes some trades were made, but in reality the aggregate gain in the Delta PWA is of great benefit to the pilots. It is the opposite of concessionary. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1281344)
They do, as the public doesn't really even know who they are flying on with their "Delta" ticket. But that's part of the problem, not the solution. We need much stricter language to control this false advertising than we have. That was brought up by some during the last negotiations but little was done about it.
Tiny little "operated by" stickers aren't sufficient. I'd be in favor of contract language forbidding a common paint job and forcing all itineraries that don't touch mainline to generate tickets with exclusively the OAL name(s) and logo(s) with "Delta" only being in tiny fine print with asterisks and ball flags leading you to the back of the ticket to figure that part out. I'd also insist on prominent PA's that emphasise the OAL carrier exclusively. As for uniforms, we don't want ACMI cheap labor providers being seamless for the customer. We want the opposite. So WRT uniforms, its a good thing that ours is distinctive and, honestly, better by quite a bit compared to most of the fake virtual airlines our company is allowed to "partner" with without using our pilots. It is very unfortunate that the Marketing Department has been given such free reign to eliminate the difference in the product. Differentiation is key to showing our importance. |
Originally Posted by Elvis90
(Post 1281368)
Delta Is No. 1 as Profitable Air Cargo Beats U.S. Peers - Bloomberg
Delta is on a five-month streak of gains in cargo traffic, bolstering the bottom line ahead of tomorrow’s quarterly earnings report. The cargo operations produce $1 billion in annual sales and profit margins that have topped 50 percent because goods are flown on jets with fare-paying passengers. |
...and since we're complaining about uniforms - if you're going to wear the coat, which we all will be in about a week, please button it. Nothing looks more bizarre than a double-breasted coat flopping around open.
Unless you let your hat ride on top of your suitcase, with the tie pulled down a couple of inches - then it's a good look. :rolleyes: |
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