Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1274086)

The really expensive ones that come to mind are Duke/Spellacy, the UAL notes case and now TWA. ALPA had to sell its HQ building to pay off Spellacy. The UAL notes case cost mega-millions even after our "off-shore insurance" paid out and TWA ...... yea yea I know. It ain't over. No money yet. yada yada. I smell a settlement coming.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1274086)

The one that really ticks me off is the settlement with the RJDC. Those pinheads didn't deserve a dime and they certainly didn't deserve a pre-signing chop on Section 1 of our contract.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1274086)

My point is that ALPA National is a piggy bank for Cohen, Weiss and Simon and all their spin-offs and former partners turned consultants. Look at that DOL payee report. Its insane how much we pay those people every month. And that's on top of our in-house lawyers.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1274086)

The machine in Herndon costs way too much. It is a typical Washington bureaucracy run amok and it needs to be brought under control.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1274066)

Check out the latest DALPA email. They're gonna fire up the DPN and survey all pilots. Take the time to take the call!

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1274066)

Check out the latest DALPA email. They're gonna fire up the DPN and survey all pilots. Take the time to take the call!

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1274099)

Yes, you should. Tell them how you feel.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1274099)

Yes, you should. Tell them how you feel.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1274119)

But we told them how we felt a couple months back, and it was duly ignored and buried.

Why waste our dues money on this current round of eyewash?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1274119)

But we told them how we felt a couple months back, and the results were duly ignored and buried.

**cue DALPA waterboy to indignantly wail that they haven't released the results, so how can we know what they said??

Well, at least they're admitting their administration is completely non-transparent.

Why waste our dues money on this current round of eyewash?

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1274122)

Apparently 68% of the Delta Pilots didn't think their input was ignored and buried.....

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1274073)

I assume you see that as a problem. Just out of curiosity, do you see that as problem a) because you don't think Moak is effective, or b) no ALPA President is worth that much, no matter how effective he/she is?

I've always thought that we were pretty silly to argue that our executives and union officers (at that level) should not be well compensated, as long as it's commensurate to their performance. For example Mullin deserved nothing but a pink slip. On the other hand, RA does a good job, and I'm not concerned that his salary is out of proportion to the job. I also don't spend much time worrying about Cortelyou, Bastian, and guys like that. I'll sidestep the discussion about FPL, which I don't understand much, except to say that also should be relative to the performance of the individual. Some don't deserve any, some are worth their weight in gold.

What I am concerned about is that I also get compensated in accordance to my contribution to the company. I want Delta to have well-compensated executives, and I expect ALPA's President to have a comfortable income. That level of responsibility should be paid well enough that it's not like charity to accept the position. I don't even believe that the president of a 50,000+ member union needs to be paid as much as the highest paying Captain. As long as the proportion between the two is reasonable, I can live with it. I see the CEO job as being good for up to about 25 times the average salary, and I can live with a union president getting, say 5X the average pilot's salary.

I know this is anathema to most people, and I'll probably get crucified for this post, but I'm pretty sure that every time we talk about who else needs to be paid less, we start down a pathetic vindictive path, one that invariably sees us at the bottom of the raw deal.

I want to talk about getting paid well. I don't mind having a debate about Moak being... woerth 500K. I know Prater wasn't worth a dime, and the scumbag before not a nickel. I just don't think 500K for that position is weird, even if it is my money. That person operates in Washington, where money sloshes around all over the place. I want to attract ambitious and smart people to the job, and I expect they're going to get something for being there. It can be our hard-earned money, or it can be easier money dispensed by the lobbyists.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1274119)

Well, acl65pilot, we told them how we felt a couple months back--and those results were duly ignored and buried.

**cue DALPA waterboy to indignantly wail that they haven't released the results, so how can we know what the results were??

So... they're admitting their administration is completely non-transparent.

Why waste our dues money and time on another round of eyewash? Why would we expect this round of surveys to be treated and acted upon any differently than the last one?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1274134)

Speaking of effective, what has CEO Moak "accomplished" during his tenure. I vaguely recall crewpass being his #1 priority almost two years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure he has attended many functions and been otherwise busy. He has probably written some letters, signed some letters, stated his position, etc.

What is his legacy thus far?