Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1475216)

I know a lot of people working (volunteering) in ALPA who want change. None have jumped ship or tried to convince me that DPA is a better alternative for seeing that change occur.

Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1475251)

Great post. I too was fortunate as well, but know of many sad stories. To add to your previous post about the GS and DCI hiring during furlough....Don't forget the PRP program!

I appreciate the Delta Pilots during furlough..Cobra was huge! However, DALPA made very poor choices in helping furloughed guys get back on property. I feel things would have been different if those jobs being outsourced weren't mainly ALPA. An independent union would have been jumping up and down about the direct outsourcing to wholly owned subsidiaries. At the very least, putting up road blocks everywhere! ALPA facilitating it through side letters was unforgivable.

C2012 should have been the death nail to the RJ outsourcing model. Why wasn't it? The rest of the industry is now forced to follow our path once again as the outsourcing leader. Selling bigger RJ scope for pay!! Look at latest from the union. Pay, pay, pay etc...no mention of scope at all! And No....selling more large RJs is not a win. It is a major fail!! That little MGT outsourcing project was failing and ALPA was there to save the day with C2012.

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1475282)

Bar,

You're a smart guy... Please tell me you are not surprised that a group of ALPA volunteers aren't actively campaigning for the DPA?

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1475279)

I question the motives, missions, and loyalties of any organization or group that allows a person like TC to remain in his position after some of his more elaborate publications. The DPA has an organizational responsibility to remove such harmful individuals to prevent further damage and harm against the group's integrity. I recently had the pleasure of meeting TC, and while he seems like a nice enough guy, he still introduces himself as the "founder" of the DPA. Clearly the DPA is more about TC than it is about Delta Pilots and that's what scares me.

Perhaps some former NWA guys with firsthand knowledge could chime in here.....
Some of the former NWA guys I've flown have told me how TC made it a habit of purposely writing up aircraft at out stations to disrupt company ops. Apparently it was so egregious that the union had to intervene. (This is just a second hand story, so in no way is it gospel, but I have heard it from more than one person)

Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1475139)

Just read an email from the A320 fleet to instructors. According to the letter Boeing and AB were both in town pitching deals. The company was leaning hard towards AB but very recently Boeing has sweetened its deal.

Could be why no announcement yet. I apologize for taking everyone away from the DPA vs DALPA debate.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1475293)

After a while you run into the people who are engaged and the best of the bunch usually find work to do helping pilots in some way or another. These are the salt of the earth types who really do provide a service and who are the real unsung heroes IMO.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1475293)

Not a single one of these folks have broken off and said, "hey, you know what, this DPA thing is the way we should go if we want change."

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1475293)

I'm in no way saying you, Carl and a host of others don't come to the board with good ideas and good arguments. I'm just stating that nobody I know personally (in the real world) has come forward with similar thoughts.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 1475295)

He was writing up missing or unfastened wing root fairing fasteners during walk-a-rounds on the 757 (base and out station) He would write them up and call them in (FOM said Captains had to make logbook entries), and of course no Capt. would refuse to make a write-up of a known discrepancy. Many minor delays ensued. Flight Ops was getting very irritated with TC (and all that entails) but the write-ups were legit if perhaps overly fastidious.

As the water was getting hotter for him a wing root fairing fell off a 757 and landed in someone's yard and made the news - due to too many fasteners loose, and TC went from doghouse to written letters of praise over his attention to detail. :cool: