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Like I have said, the MEC is looking at this very closely and it monitoring it on a day to day basis. If it comes to a press to test, established has many logical meanings and those will be used.

johnso29

08-30-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1473829)

Look under the definitions section. I know I had this concern when it was a TA and I found something that cleared it up. I don;t have the contract handy, and I really don't feel like going to the website and doing the research on the fly.

EDIT: FLEET is defined in the PWA "Fleet" means aircraft in service, unsergoing mx, AND operational spares.

Hangar queens DON'T count. You're correct.

shiznit

08-30-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1473818)

But couldn't they say we have 5 B717s in the shop right now thus they're undergoing maintenance thus per the PWA definitions section they're in the fleet and we can operate 4 CRJ900s?

No revenue 717's..... No 153+ 76 seaters.

johnso29

08-30-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1473832)

They conveniently skipped "established" in the definitions section.

But FLEET is defined. And there are 3 conditions that all have to be met. Planes just sitting doesn't cut it.

acl65pilot

08-30-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1473838)

No revenue 717's..... No 153+ 76 seaters.

Exactly. Established means operational and operational means in revenue service. Until that happens its not established and only planed.

80ktsClamp

08-30-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1473839)

But FLEET is defined. And there are 3 conditions that all have to be met. Planes just sitting doesn't cut it.

Thanks.. just found that!

As of right now, the Pinnacle CRJ900s are supposed to be sitting on the ramp in MSP for a month if they comply with waiting for the 717 to come online.

johnso29

08-30-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1473843)

Thanks.. just found that!

As of right now, the Pinnacle CRJ900s are supposed to be sitting on the ramp in MSP for a month if they comply with waiting for the 717 to come online.

Well TBH I have no idea how to monitor that. Guess I've found a project! :D

acl65pilot

08-30-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1473817)

If a line dog has to report it, than I am not sure "Code Share's" and my definition of "close" are very much aligned.

If you note, the flying apparently was removed on the 717 open time a few days ago. Its a new development, and they are watching it. I assume communicating with the company too.

The Negotiator's Notepad that Scoop referenced is the official interpretation from your Union.

acl65pilot

08-30-2013 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1473843)

Thanks.. just found that!

As of right now, the Pinnacle CRJ900s are supposed to be sitting on the ramp in MSP for a month if they comply with waiting for the 717 to come online.

That is a good thing isn't it? Means no 717's no 76 seaters correct?

Mesabah

08-30-2013 07:32 PM

New 900s will sit until their corresponding 717/s is/are online.

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