Current book and the memo combine to fully preserve the 2AM deadline to check your schedule on day one. Since you then need 10 hours of rest from that point, noon was the soonest the company could "dictate" anything. Noon wasn't a gift by the company via memo. Rather, it was the soonest legal report time we could accept unless they TOTALLY shredded the contract. As it ended up, they only went for a partial shredding. But either way, nothing before noon on day one was the reality regardless. 10 AM was the earliest theoretical report that would be legal.

So we gave them 10AM.

The memo did impose the unilateral elimination of the 3 hours prior acknowledgement, which was the fulcrum of this issue since that didn't mesh with the 10 hours prospective rest. But 5am went to noon and we gave them a concession back to 10am to fund other things when we had noon locked down.


If there was no 117 and we were stuck with 5am and suddenly reached a TA where it got shifted to 10am then yes, that would be awesome. But we had noon locked down already. They couldn't make it any sooner. We helped them find a way sooner to provide relief for them, and then used some of that relief to fund other things.

The 2 hour long call response outrage was for long call, not for first day report. The 3 hour prior acknowledgement issue technically did apply to both, but first day was a win and no one was outraged by that. They still had to have whatever they were going to give you on your schedule by 3pm the day prior and you could acknowledge if you chose to. The 2 hour leash from the fantasy memo was 24/7 while on long call and it unilaterally erased the long standing 9 hour blackout period we'd always had.

So we agreed to a 3 hour leash.

I'll read the language when and if we get it, but I really don't see any other way we can have a 13 hour LC without a 3 hour call back leash. That is a massive concession, as is going from noon to 10am on day one. Two big concessions to solve both 3 hour prior issues for the company, and we used those concessions on reserves to fund other things while providing relief to the company for the badly needed 3 hour prior issues.

One of my experiences in the JS a few months back on the out leg (evening flight):

FO was on his 2nd of 3 consecutive CDOs. He mentioned they wipe him out....didn't remember driving home that morning.

turtle heading

(verb – present participle) The act of experiencing the summit of a crusty turd protruding from your sphincter (a turtle head); to really need a crap. Also known as touching cloth.

Onlooker: "Why are you walking so strangely?"
Protagonist: "I'm turtle-heading, if I don't find a toilet soon I'm going to purge all over my pants."

Magic Carpet Ride

To line the bowl of an airplane lavatory with TP so as to reduce the chance of leaving difficult to remove and incriminating fecal skid marks that are produced in a vacuum extraction flushing method.

"It might be smart to employ the magic carpet ride so that if the hot Milf in 2B is waiting to use this porta potty in the sky, I don't look like a tool."

Are you guys getting this? This is typical. For every one guy who gushes about how great CDO's are (because he gets to be home all day, every day and has convinced himself he doesn't need that much sleep), there are 100 with stories just like this one. This is one of the worst safety issues I've seen in my career... and it's being thrust upon us by the people who are supposed to be representing us and have as their motto, "schedule with safety." UNSAT. :mad:

Just like every other contract TA though, guys will look at (section 3) first, and say.. "WOW, look at the money!" ... and that makes it OK.

The "schedule with safety" moniker is lost on me with this one too....

Actually in a way, yes. If they don't have anything for you by noon on your last day, you can ask to be released. If the next day is a golden day which it is 2 or 3 times a month anyway, its an automatic approval.

Perhaps there is room in there to find bargaining credits to apply to more deserving local pilots though. I'd actually almost second that resolution just to see it play out. :cool:

Since your active contempt for commuters is clouding your creative math in counting days off, let's just go nuts with it, shall we:

We have very, very few reports at 1am. Or 2am. Or 3 am. Or 4am. So the vast majority of reserves and line holders always start off with a quarter day off almost every day. With 4 blocks of work per month, that's an extra day off! I wonder if the company knows this? If we agree with this interpretation, we can reduce min days off by one for almost every pilot and still be in compliance with the contract! Don't want those pesky pilots getting free days off now, do we?

Then, since most release times occur at or before 8PM, that's another quarter day off per trip/reserve period. So we can reduce days off by 2 for most pilots. In fact, let's take every hour prior to report on day one, and every hour after release on the last day, and add up those total hours then divide that by 24 and that is the amount of extra work days we owe the company.

You still serious about this Shirley?

It would pay 10:30 under the new TA.

It's not a proffer, but it's not yours unless you acknowledge. If you acknowledged via I crew or answer a call from Scheds it will be yours. If you do nothing- even though they may call/CNO you a bunch, they will eventually take it off your line. Most Scheds only leave it on your line a few minutes, but lately have had a few that leave it awhile.

MEC Alert just came out:



The MEC will meet in special session May 21-May 22, beginning at 9AM each day, to consider LOA 14-01 concerning FAR 117 and changes to the Pilot Working Agreement.

The meeting will take place at the airport Marriott in Atlanta, 4711 Best Road, College Park, GA 30337.

The MEC will conduct the meeting in open session, and pilots are encouraged to attend.

If I use a normal personal drop on a trip, can I put in a white or green slip for that day in the future if my schedule changes?