Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647259)

Two things that I can think of. First if they DH you back from SAV they have to DH a crew over to cover the return flight. The second thing is would not the rotation you describe pay about 7:15 under the current contract. 5:15 for the leg over and 2 hours on the DH only day?
I agree with your last statement. It would eliminate any issue.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1647265)

How about this scenario under the FAR 117 rules?

Pilot signs in at 1957 for a ATL-PHX-ATL turn, landing back here at 0627. These flights are currently in our Delta timetable:

DL 1915 departs ATL 2057 arrives PHX 2200 (3+57 block)
DL 1646 departs PHX 2355 arrives ATL 0627 (3+32 block)

Total FDP = 10+30
Total block = 7+29

Legal under the old PWA? No - The 12. D. 1. table would limit duty day to approximately 9:30.
Legal under FAR 117? It seems so.

The good news is it would pay 10:30. The bad news is that seems like a killer trip to me, unless you can really reverse your body clock somehow. I suspect there are many more city pairs that could end up doing this, without calling them SDPs.

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1647286)

It pays 9:00.

4:30 guarantee for each day will govern.

Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1647289)

Do white slips or swap with the pot run first in PCS?

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1647265)

How about this scenario under the FAR 117 rules?

Pilot signs in at 1957 for a ATL-PHX-ATL turn, landing back here at 0627. These flights are currently in our Delta timetable:

DL 1915 departs ATL 2057 arrives PHX 2200 (3+57 block)
DL 1646 departs PHX 2355 arrives ATL 0627 (3+32 block)

Total FDP = 10+30
Total block = 7+29

Legal under the old PWA? No - The 12. D. 1. table would limit duty day to approximately 9:30.
Legal under FAR 117? It seems so.

The good news is it would pay 10:30. The bad news is that seems like a killer trip to me, unless you can really reverse your body clock somehow. I suspect there are many more city pairs that could end up doing this, without calling them SDPs.

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647291)

I don't think so. There is a 10pm to midnight cutout on the 4:30 per day. This flight would be leaving well beyond that time in the situation you describe.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1647009)

Ahhhh the mythical staffing formula. Is that the same one that allows categories to be woefully understaffed year after year?

I don't believe it really exists. It is merely cocaine to placate the masses. (us)

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1647168)

Rumor has it that it will be SSP extended to all currently on property and newhires will be interviewed by DL and given a flow position.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1647306)

Ahhh, yes.. The staffing formula, the one that forced the Company to publish the "mini-emergency AE" a couple months ago for 35 A320 CA's. Then the Company had to convert and park a solid number of those awards because DAL would have violated said formula otherwise..

Those new CA's with 3 week to 2 month long vacations pretty much LOVE that PWA provision now!!

(But yes, the staffing formula is on the very bottom edge of what it takes to truly staff the airline, hence the need to keep improving it!)