As I've said before, you certainly have the right to interpret and even redefine what people state. I prefer not to do that. This is what Alfa actually said, emphasis mine:

He's exactly right. Those bunches of pieces put out by ALPA were indeed for the purpose of giving pilots the same frame of reference as their reps...not the other way around. The logical extension is that the reps got their "frame of reference" from ALPA. It had to be because if the reps had gotten their "frame of reference" from the pilots they represent, then there would have been no need for ALPA to produce bunches of pieces trying to give pilots their reps "frame of reference." The reps would already have known that.

This is how a top down organization is run. No surprises here.

Carl

Find a post where he said that. You have no proof you are making that up. You're so full of it

I posted this in the pictures forum, but thought I'd add it here. I finished this 737 painting tonight. 16 x 20.

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/x...9/_MG_0762.jpg

Holy cow are you talented.

Beautiful.

Carl

Hate to bother, thinking about joining the delta museum for a year, can anyone pm me the cost for a family to join?

Reps are who we elect to represent us. Reps don't develop costing models and publish them. That's done by MEC administrators and ALPA national. We don't share cockpits or careers with them. So no, that's not who we're talking about here.

I don't believe people. I believe data. We don't get to see that data.

Carl

That's a depiction of the altitude that a 737-900 has to remain for the first 3 hours of flight. :)


Beautiful work!

Agreed. We just don't know how much was C2012 related.

Agreed.

See above.

You got that right.

We don't know how much (if any) of increased pilot costs were related to C2012. We don't have the data. ALPA costing is just not believable.

And this is exactly why this statement is so misleading. Pay rates have increased, but there are considerable costs to pilots with the reduction of profit sharing, sick leave harassment, reduction of summer month days, higher reserve requirements, lower need for pilot jobs, etc, etc. Some might be making more money, but most all are working harder and longer to get it. When management added it all up, they described our contract as cost neutral and further stated that those cost savings would allow for funding initiatives for the benefit of other employee groups.

Carl

I've never said that. The only thing I've ever said about pay banding or your LBP is that I'm worried about what that would do to us in a future seniority list integration.

The 767 so I can have you as my LCA.

Absolutely. But now that I think of it, if oil skyrockets again, the 75/76 will be the first to shrink and vanish. So I'll probably go to the A330. Me, Denny, and Ferd flying around the world.

HO-LEE-FUK!

Carl

Travel benefit change for C2015
 

Guys,

What do you think about trying to change our travel benefits for the better? I am not sure what we should try for, but nonreving in the summer is continually getting harder.

Some possibles alternatives could include:
Positive space vacation passes.
Discounted tickets that are actually discounted - unlike fly confirmed for (not) less.

Anyone have any thoughts on the subject?

Scoop