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Dash8widget 06-25-2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1671939)
It looks like they are going to reduce the 767 FO's in SLC from 96 to 76 this November according to the staffing report, so I would imagine most of those guys will displace into the 73 and 320.

Which is interesting since there are 15 7ERB's scheduled to convert INTO SLC between September and November. If they're going to displace down to 76, they'd better get cracking.

BTW the projected SLC 7erb category list for DECEMBER shows a count of 93.


ETA - if you were trying to spread doom and gloom about SLC in order to keep senior people from bidding in then you're right, SLC is in a downward death spiral :eek: Stay away, everyone! ;)

DLpilot 06-25-2014 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1671939)
As a SLC guy I would say if you like being jr and staying junior come on over. I have been at Delta 14 years and am still in the bottom 50% on the 737. I have moved backward 21% in the category over the last 3 years and have never moved up a single number in any bid since spring of 2011. Most Jr capt in the base is a 5600ish. It looks like they are going to reduce the 767 FO's in SLC from 96 to 76 this November according to the staffing report, so I would imagine most of those guys will displace into the 73 and 320. For me I would expect upgrade to capt to be 7-10 years longer in SLC than NY, DTW or ATL. Depending on when you were hired that number could be reduced by a few years. I just flew with a capt who said that the average age capt in the 73 in SLC was 54 1/2 but I don't have any idea if that is true. Just recently the I was talking to regional chief pilot and he said he had been told that SLC was currently the right size and to not expect any future growth. Of course who knows, things change daily. So with all that said it is a choice to live out west, mountains vs money and seniority.

The staffing report is the minimum required not the actual staffing numbers.

boog123 06-25-2014 03:12 PM

OK, first, apologize in advance if I'm not getting this stuff.

REG in June, RES in July. Last 5 days off of June, first 10 of July

If I GS a trip that has SPILL in it, Double time in June, single pay over reserve guarantee in June with PB days, correct? (I do understand the trip with trip at the end thing)

Now, If I WS a Spill trip, it's single pay for June, but what happens to pay and the days off that I would be now working on for July? Example: 9 day Asia, 3 days in June (17:00), 6 days in July (40:00) working on 6 normal days off.

Thanks

tsquare 06-25-2014 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1671965)
OK, first, apologize in advance if I'm not getting this stuff.

REG in June, RES in July. Last 5 days off of June, first 10 of July

If I GS a trip that has SPILL in it, Double time in June, single pay over reserve guarantee in June with PB days, correct? (I do understand the trip with trip at the end thing)

Now, If I WS a Spill trip, it's single pay for June, but what happens to pay and the days off that I would be now working on for July? Example: 9 day Asia, 3 days in June (17:00), 6 days in July (40:00) working on 6 normal days off.

Thanks

You must be really really senior to game THAT greenie. As to the WS question, you would be working on your days off with no recovery of them. (to the best of my knowledge)

ANd remember, any credit is not paid until the end, so if it is not a hard time trip, you would be flying a lot of credit for free (basically)

EdGrimley 06-25-2014 03:16 PM

Wolfe: Delta’s move into Boston could ultimately prove good news for JetBlue • 6:49 PM

Delta Air Lines (DAL) last week included Boston in its list of key hubs and markets for the first time, worrying JetBlue (JBLU) investors, but Wolfe Research thinks DAL’s decision could be good news for JBLU, much in the way it ultimately was for Alaska Air (ALK).
Wolfe believes JBLU management seeks a 7% return on investment capital this year, but it does not see it happening under the current strategy; the firm figures DAL's growth into Boston might help to force hard choices, as it did for Alaska Air.
ALK shares fell 26% from peak to trough in May-June 2013 on fears of competitive capacity growth, which led it to take action on fees and resulting in ALK stock gains doubling over the next year.
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boog123 06-25-2014 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1671966)
You must be really really senior to game THAT greenie. As to the WS question, you would be working on your days off with no recovery of them. (to the best of my knowledge)

ANd remember, any credit is not paid until the end, so if it is not a hard time trip, you would be flying a lot of credit for free (basically)

Yeah, guess green is the only way to go to make it worth while for a long trip. Kinda senior, but they are short in category, so…….

PilotFrog 06-25-2014 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1671947)
I would think it is safe since we are about to spend a boatload of $$$ on a new terminal.

Just like Boston?

Dorfman 06-25-2014 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1671966)
You must be really really senior to game THAT greenie. As to the WS question, you would be working on your days off with no recovery of them. (to the best of my knowledge)

ANd remember, any credit is not paid until the end, so if it is not a hard time trip, you would be flying a lot of credit for free (basically)

Actually T I use this strategy for greenies. I am middle of the pack so I usual bid a schedule that gives me time off at the end of the month. By then all the sr. Guys have gotten their green slips. So far so good I am 8 for 9 the last 9 months. The only month I did not have a green slip was in Jan when I had a big block of days off in the beginning. Caveat is I bid regular lines each month so with reserve your mileage may vary

sailingfun 06-25-2014 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1671941)
SWA non pilot costs are through the roof since they never went through Chapter 11.

IMO their nightmare has begun. Simply look at their on time performance, 10% behind us.

I believe they will have a long slow descent to bankruptcy that will take a decade.

There overall employee costs are still well below Delta. There CASM on equal sized aircraft is also below Delta. They just don't have the 30% advantage they once had. There are no retirement plans that they could avoid in filing chapter 11 so not a huge gain to be made.

gloopy 06-25-2014 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1671878)
Even with a west coast narrow body base the East is still going to be where most of the movement happens. There are a large number of senior west guys commuting to eastern bases. They will go back west and the movement will come in the East. If your locked into the west UAL is a better choices they are a west coast airline and Delta is east coast.

Even if you fully count DEN as "west coast" I'm not sure that's a fair thing to say as a blanket statement. Even if you add Guam to that figure its still pushing it. :rolleyes:

How many pilots does UCAL have on the west coast anyway? If SEA can grow significantly, and all signs point to that happening, and if LA grows even a tiny bit and SLC stays the same, with the movement we are seeing there will be plenty of west coast opportunities for new hires unless they have some irreconcilable precondition of walking into a west coast base in year one no matter what. In which case I'm not so sure UCAL will always be offering that anyway.


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