My point is that, whether you're getting assigned a trip, or a series of trips, you look at the last 168 hours from the start of that FDP, and you need to find the 30 hours.

So, say you finish vacation on a Sunday, and had back-to-back trips (4-day and a 3-day) starting at 1600 on Monday, and you had several layovers during the week, but no break =/> 30 hours. It's now Sunday morning, and you have a FDP that starts at 0900, and ends at 1800.

You're thinking you're illegal, because during the entire week, including the FDP you're about to start, you didn't have 30 hours break.

Except that 168 hours back from the START of that last FDP takes you back to the previous Sunday at 0900. From that moment, to the start of your first FDP on Monday, you actually had 31 hours rest.

Legal, IMO.

So you need 30 hours in 168 to START a FDP, not by the end of the FDP. Meaning, IOW, that you need "30 in 168 PLUS a FDP", which feels a lot like "30 in 7.5 days", or "30 in 7 days plus a workday", or a little like "30 in 8".

If the taxi times are different from the first release don't accept it. It's up to us as pilots to decide if we are fit for flight or not.......

;)Baja.......Just bite the bullet and sign up for "blasts" from the MEC and they will remind you over and over to bid!


...that and when the PUB events are....and when CASS is down.....and when someone drops a deuce at HQ.......BUT.....you won' forget to bid!:D

DFW to ELP on the 88. Left DFW around 10:30pm, 4 1/2 hours at airport hotel then return. Pilots got 1 room and FA's got 1 room. Circa 1994

Only Rolling thunder gurus, awarded 1st 8 days of july off with 11 days after that plus vacation. Here's my take:

Blanket GS, also OOGS, 1-8. Payback days awarded toward end of month.

Do they still need to give us 30 (or is it 36) in between that long stretch of 11 RES days?

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So if the max duty time on my rotation says 12 hours, can the company automatically extend us to 14 or do we have to sign the release to go to 14?

Assuming that we're talking about the FDP limit, the Captain can agree to go as much as two hours beyond that (to 14 in this case), so long as two conditions have been met:

1) You have not extended more than :30 beyond an FDP since receiving your last rest of 30 hours or more, and
2) The extension would cause you to exceed a cumulative FDP limit such as 60 in 168.

The release should show a Latest Allowable Takeoff Time (LATT) that would comply with the FDP limit, as well as one that complies with the longest legal extension for the crew. It is then up to the Captain to determine whether to agree to an extension and, if so, for how long.

There ain't enough liquor in the state of Florida to make that work at my house.

They'd need to give you 30 hours rest somewhere in there or else you'll violate 30 hrs in 168 hr lookback on day 8. However, it doesn't need to be 30 hrs in base. A 30 hr GRR layover, for example, would qualify and you'd be good to go for another 7 days straight. So if your question is whether there's a possibility of "working" (ie including layovers) all 11 days, yes. Kinda unlikely but possible.

It's my understanding that signing the release no longer has anything to do with being extended. It now is you certifying you are rested and legal to fly the trip. How can you agree to be exended when you don't even know what the extension is?