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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1746806)

Ed,

They are counting them as the come. I had the same exact numbers form the LAX meeting including a snapshot from sometime 2014 at 614:

Mainline aircraft:
2009 - 594
2014- 614
2015 - 667

AS of 30 September we had the following number of 717s and 737-900s in service:
24 737 -900s in service
40 717s

So it looks the 594 was at or was near a mainline low in 2009, and the 667 number will include all or most of our orders through 2015 less the aircraft that we plan on parking.

Scoop

Thanks Scoop. I appreciate the info!

I think Richard Anderson is going to be on CNBC tomorrow (10/16) sometime between 6am - 9am. Talk about Ebola and Delta strategy going forward. I don't get up that early, so I'm going to record it.

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Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1746771)

Love you T, and I am not necessarily against senioirty based pay, banding etc, all I want to see is the overall plan and the numbers. Just like setting a goal of "restoration" and repeating it over and over again, I want to know what "since bigger does not pay more" is going to look like.

So, while yes the 747 guys might be taking a "pay cut" if they down bid airplanes, if we agree (and you did on an earlier post) that without increasing the costs of the current pilot contract, the fact is they would have never reached that hourly rate in the first place. As a matter of fact, for most, the aircraft that they down bid to will still most likely pay more than the seniority based pay average of $215.

Tell me what it is going to look like with our current contract value. Tell me what it will look like if we then decide to upgauge or down gauge the airline.. Everybody gonna be happy flying an A380 for the same as a 717 if the captain pay is $215?

What I just cannot understand is why everybody keeps interjecting an airplane type into the equation. Forget all about shiney new airplanes. Forget about big ones. If you guys haven't figured it out yet, DAL is not going to be in the super premium airplane business. If you want to fly a whale, go apply at UAL. This is about longevity based pay. You have a pulse... stay here a long time... get paid more... every year. It's that simple. WhoGAS whether it is a 380 or a 717? It... doesn't... matter... If the company decides to buy a bunch more 777s.. Great. It won't change a thing. More guys then get to fly to Dubai. Or if they find that idea repugnant as I do, they can stay on domestic without penalty. If they buy a bunch of 717s... great. It will affect the company's bottom line seat mile costs, not my W2. The company has to justify its' affect on the bottom line. I could can stay senior on the 737 and fly where/when I want. (And I'll bet you will be surprised at how many guys bid off of the super premium stuff when they find they can make the same coin flying MCO turns.) So let's say that they buy something that is more "productive" and the company starts printing (more) money. In contract negotiations, all we need to do is raise the Y-intercept of the money/time graph. Over time, it has gotten waaaaaay too complicated, and it is a broken model now because we do not have a DB retirement plan.

And your last sentence is interesting. Assuming that they are the same DOH, one guy might like flying a 380 and laying over in Dubai. The other guy might prefer laying over at home every night for the same coin. It becomes a QOL choice at that point, and neither is penalized for making that choice. Timbo could layover in MLB and sail on his layover. ;)

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Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1746851)

I think Richard Anderson is going to be on CNBC tomorrow (10/16) sometime between 6am - 9am. Talk about Ebola and Delta strategy going forward. I don't get up that early, so I'm going to record it.

He talked about it at the LCP meeting. And don't ask. This is an anonymous web board, and I am not Flyboy 1. Get on my jumpseat, and I'll tell you all you want to know.

I'm not worried about Ebola from a personal health standpoint. I'm worried that fears about it will cripple the operation and that people will stop buying tickets.

People are afraid. They will blame West Africa, the airlines, and the CDC in that order.

I think ALPA and the company both share a common interest in educating the public as much as possible.

If panic sets in, the airlines will be the biggest loser, we'll see backwards movement and attempts at selling a concessionary contract.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this could be somewhere between SARS and post 9/11.

Timing is not good.

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1746830)

Hearing the American new pilot deal is our pay rates plus 5%. No other details. Hopefully some more DC, vacation and higher value of vacation/training day.

Is this a good thing?

Because of the way Ebola is transferred, flying on an airplane in no way increases your risk of getting Ebola.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1746841)

If that's true, we're set up for significant gains IMO. Just getting the insane old Airways pay rates off the table, much less replaced with something higher than we have now, sets us up for significantly more than 4/8/3/3.

I'm far more concerned with what some may expect us to have to "give up" to get whatever we end up seeing in any TA. If AA exceeded our pay by 5% and did it with a higher B fund percentage, higher vacation and other credits, and didn't sell scope to get anything, we should be able to pattern bargain significantly higher in all areas than where we are now without "paying for it" ourselves.

Interesting. Soooo they exceed our current contract by a mere 5%. We have guys clamoring here for 40+% increase in pay rates. In case you guys haven't noticed, AAL is printing money too and all they got is 5% over their awesome bankruptcy contract. And we are gonna knock it out of the park? Pray tell how.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1746809)

Is the increase in medical really 3% of any full time employee's total salary?

No. It's not.
But you get the drift. We all celebrate the pay raises and profit sharing but the increase in medical premiums/deductibles/co-pays, etc. etc. somehow never gets factored in. Those numbers are more significant every year.

3% on the top line isn't 3% on the bottom line if mgmt. is jacking up the cost of our medical benefit at the same time.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1746867)

For C2012 USAir was a huge anchor. They had top scale senior widebody pay rates around industry average narrowbody FO rates. It was absolutely insane how low their pay rates were. Those are now gone, and replaced with higher than what we have now, plus other areas that are higher as well! That's absolutely huge. The differential between then and now is staggering.

Pattern barganing doesn't just mean getting an average or even eclipsing someone by 1%. If that's all it meant, we'd never see progress.

If we were able to get 4/8/3/3 with the dead weight of USAirways asinine payscale and now that's gone and they are 5% higher than us, plus everyone else is higher as well, it looks very good for us.

Provided we don't try to get into the selling of work rules, pilot jobs and perhaps even scope to "pay for it". :rolleyes: