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Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1746858)

I'm not worried about Ebola from a personal health standpoint. I'm worried that fears about it will cripple the operation and that people will stop buying tickets.

People are afraid. They will blame West Africa, the airlines, and the CDC in that order.

I think ALPA and the company both share a common interest in educating the public as much as possible.

If panic sets in, the airlines will be the biggest loser, we'll see backwards movement and attempts at selling a concessionary contract.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this could be somewhere between SARS and post 9/11.

Timing is not good.

I was gonna say, is this the same media hype situation that SARS received?

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1746867)

Interesting. Soooo they exceed our current contract by a mere 5%. We have guys clamoring here for 40+% increase in pay rates. In case you guys haven't noticed, AAL is printing money too and all they got is 5% over their awesome bankruptcy contract. And we are gonna knock it out of the park? Pray tell how.

The AMR guys screwed themselves with the MOU. Seems like they are getting a take it or leave it deal, without any leverage. Apples to oranges with your guy's next contract, but I get that DALPA doesn't negotiate in a vacuum.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1746866)

Because of the way Ebola is transferred, flying on an airplane in no way increases your risk of getting Ebola.

That's a ridiculous statement.
Airplanes put people in close proximity.
Are you telling me I have the same risk sitting at home as I do sitting 6 inches from a West African with Ebola?

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1746866)

Because of the way Ebola is transferred, flying on an airplane in no way increases your risk of getting Ebola.

So you'd be ok if someone with Ebola sneezed on you? You'd use the same lav?

2014 Darwin Award nominee

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1746825)

That's asinine. If marketing is going to be left running the show, they can't be allowed to make massive, easily avoidable, mistakes like that. They can't just flip out every second flat out guessing and making panic decisions too late to do anything about, and then be wrong about them. They need to be reigned in and FltOps needs to be given more authority in the decision making matrix or at the very least given unrestricted access to their think tank day trader boiler room meetings.

Sounds to me as though that's exactly what happened. Marketing wanted to add another 2,500 hours to the schedule and Flight Ops said, "No can do." If there was mathematically no way to add that much time to the schedule without violating the staffing formula with its ALV/TLV restrictions, would we have been happier if Delta had scheduled the hours anyway?

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Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 1746784)

We have sick leave verification now...

Hasn't it always been in the contract?

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1746872)

For C2012 USAir was a huge anchor. They had top scale senior widebody pay rates around industry average narrowbody FO rates. It was absolutely insane how low their pay rates were. Those are now gone, and replaced with higher than what we have now, plus other areas that are higher as well! That's absolutely huge. The differential between then and now is staggering.

Pattern barganing doesn't just mean getting an average or even eclipsing someone by 1%. If that's all it meant, we'd never see progress.

If we were able to get 4/8/3/3 with the dead weight of USAirways asinine payscale and now that's gone and they are 5% higher than us, plus everyone else is higher as well, it looks very good for us.

Provided we don't try to get into the selling of work rules, pilot jobs and perhaps even scope to "pay for it". :rolleyes:

So they made these awesome gains, yet barely eclipsed out rates. And then once again, for us to get what many on here want, we have to eclipse their rates by a very substantial margin. How do we do that? If AAL is printing money like we are (and they ARE), why couldn't they achieve the kind of pay rates that are expected of our union? Why the disconnect? I think it DOES look good for us, but 5% does little to get us 42%. I wouldn't get my hopes up based on that, I don't care how much money DAL is making.

Standing by for surrender monkey bull****.

Recirc fans.......off

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1746866)

Because of the way Ebola is transferred, flying on an airplane in no way increases your risk of getting Ebola.

I get it, but I just talked with my mom that watches the news all the time.

She heard the report about how the second nurse from Dallas had flown on the Frontier flight. To her, that translated to: 'she got it from the airplane'.

The more the public knows about Ebola transmission, the better off we will be. Leaving it up to the public to figure out, will cost us all some money.

What about informational videos and PAs in the gate house and onboard during boarding? I don't think we are there yet, but we should be ready.

Something else I've thought about: proactively denying boarding to any people exhibiting any flu symptoms to prevent the quarantine like circumstances at the destination when the passengers stress out about potential ebola enroute. Civil liberties vs. protecting the operation.

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Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1746858)

I'm not worried about Ebola from a personal health standpoint. I'm worried that fears about it will cripple the operation and that people will stop buying tickets.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this could be somewhere between SARS and post 9/11.

Timing is not good.

You are correct. The political grandstanding and media hysteria is fueling panic in a public that is already terrible at analyzing risk.

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