That's asinine. If marketing is going to be left running the show, they can't be allowed to make massive, easily avoidable, mistakes like that. They can't just flip out every second flat out guessing and making panic decisions too late to do anything about, and then be wrong about them. They need to be reigned in and FltOps needs to be given more authority in the decision making matrix or at the very least given unrestricted access to their think tank day trader boiler room meetings.

Um, no.

The exact details of make and model, pricing and exact delivery dates is fun to know but not really important, although I'd be interested if the 787's in consideration are in addition to the 2020 deliveries or if we made them rebid their own existing 2020 deliveries :confused:

The real question is will the net result be block hour and widebody seat positive?

Of course they are getting some. No one disputes that. But will they be fewer large wide bodies flying to CDG/AMS/LHR in a plan that requires fewer DL pilots, or will be it DL widebody pilot growth?

Bigger planes are great, but ONLY if they bring an equal or greater number of jobs to the table. That is the big question WRT this and any other so called widebody RFP.

2015 Health Plan Evaluator is online.

You need to find the tiny "More Plan Options" right below the "print this page" button to see the DPMP numbers.

I'm sure that's just a coincidence. :rolleyes:

Hearing the American new pilot deal is our pay rates plus 5%. No other details. Hopefully some more DC, vacation and higher value of vacation/training day.

Any profit sharing?

No, but it is a good idea to have a passport on her in case the airline screws up. Like when we put a UM on a flight to FCO instead of MCO.

Doug and Mesebah,

Thanks guys! Much appreciated.

If that's true, we're set up for significant gains IMO. Just getting the insane old Airways pay rates off the table, much less replaced with something higher than we have now, sets us up for significantly more than 4/8/3/3.

I'm far more concerned with what some may expect us to have to "give up" to get whatever we end up seeing in any TA. If AA exceeded our pay by 5% and did it with a higher B fund percentage, higher vacation and other credits, and didn't sell scope to get anything, we should be able to pattern bargain significantly higher in all areas than where we are now without "paying for it" ourselves.

I don't have my contract comparison in front of me. Does anybody have an educated guess on what the numbers might look like in this scenario?

Still, not a reason to not put in some restrictions for the protection and defense of law-abiding citizens who do not desire travel to west African countries. And more reason to have better border security that some would like to avoid.

I don't look forward to the day Delta pilots are on the cover of ALPA magazine with the same "smile" as the Midwest express pilots. We gotta get a handle on this intl codeshare business. We need to be taking VA flying over cankles and all.