We clearly need more laws then. Since they are not breaking any of the current ones, we have nothing to go after them on as it is. :rolleyes:

I suppose. Although I'm not sure who that was directed at.

He said they were doing that, I said that was highly illegal and should be refused in all cases (the extent he was saying they would do it…I'm not talking about bumping the cost index to find 2 minutes on a 3 hour flight, as that *could* be legit) and he huffed and puffed and basically double dog dared us to challenge it because he apparently felt he had the weight of the company on his side.

I don't think any of that was the dispatch department coming up with anything on its own. Things like that are usually either directed or strongly implied from above. However I doubt it came from Flt Ops leadership.

We are running a great on time operation and running very thin at the same time. That is a classic standing threat if ever there was one. There will be some amount of pilot pushing at any company. The point is watch your back, check their work and if its not right (or realistic) expand your team and protect yourself. At the end of the day, you're protecting the company as well in doing so.

I was on a flight last month that timed out. We kept telling them that we were getting close to 14 hours duty, but no one would listen to us. The captain said he was walking at 14, end of story. At 14:20 he walked off the plane, leaving us two FOs. We got a call from the duty pilot asking us individually if we were willing to extend. We told them no and we were packing up too. They ended up giving us a domicile layover, delayed the flight, and we left 14 hours later.

According to the duty pilot that night, EACH pilot has to make the determination whether or not they will extend. Even if the captain decides to Boy Scout it, the FO can say, "nope, not gonna do it," and walk. You, as in every pilot, are the only one who can make the determination about extending or not.

All true...

PB's are place on the first days of on call days following the present set of off-days. You can't have them "placed" at the end of the month(aka wherever you want)

Hey TSquare or any other LCA,
Got a question for you guys. What is the protocol now for getting replaced by a guy doing OE? Do I still have to show up at sign in, or can the LCA release me a day prior or so? I know we aren't subject to 23K anymore, and can pick up additional flying. JUst wondering if I have to drag it to NYC for an 0500 show.

Typically scheduling starts looking at releases and builds duped rotations after 7pm, LCAs aren't able to release you, crew skeds makes that call, typically around 730pm...hopefully you can make the last commuter flight home! Yes, you need to drag it to be there for the 0500 show the next day, but you will be released the evening prior.

You're so self defeating.:D

IMO, the rest question is the last thing you should be concerned with. You're rested.

Any ipad air users out there? I figured out how to load the manuals from the fleet page by opening them, copying, then moving it to ibooks. The only one that I can't get to download is the FOM Pt.1. It will open after putting in the security password, and doing what I did with all the other manuals, it doesn't work. Any ideas? Doesn't sound like the secure content locker is an option for the Air either for a while.