Here's where the 1000 SC comes from. The contract allows a pilot to be converted to short call no earlier than 10 hours from the first attempted contact.

SD's memo states the unless crew scheduling makes IMMEDIATE contact, a long call pilot won't be converted to short call earlier than 12 hours from first attempted contact, i.e. short call beginning at 1200.

In other words, if they call you at midnight and you answer the phone, they can put you on short call beginning at 1000. Otherwise, 1200 is the earliest for short call.

How do you avoid a 1000 short call? Avoid immediate contact.

I hate to break it to you but that is exactly what has already happened.

There is a clear reason why there has only been 50ish such instances of forced PDs, lost pay, and a carpet dance at the CPO. Lack of leadership by DALPA and the line pilot's commensurate lack of faith that the union has their back.

Off topic here. But does anyone know if we get a discount in Atlantis down in Nassau. I vaguely remember someone telling me we got a great discount down there and was looking to take the family there this summer.

Thanks

I did it years ago and had a great time with the family. They wanted me to fax a copy of my ID. There was a discount, but it still wasn't cheap. You have to feed those fish you know. ;)

So for you, BBar, it doesn't matter what the agreement is, as long as it's an "agreement." Peace at all costs.

How can you possibly say that an agreement is preferred ...when you don't know what the agreement consists of?? :confused:

And given DALPA's recent track record of less-than-stellar negotiations (do I need to list them again?), your mentality is baffling.

Index nailed that mindset:

Well, given DALPA's recent negotiating failures, it's should be apparent why so many of us are concerned about the outcome. "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me four times, shame on me."

Surely you're not pretending to be bewildered about why a significant portion of the pilot group is so skeptical of DALPA's ability to engage in hard-nosed negotiations. To feign ignorance is utterly disingenuous.

When did he (or anyone) say that. It is not "peace at all costs." It IS "hey, at some point we may come up with a mutually acceptable agreement--or we may not."

In the long long run (meaning in terms of years and decades) we need to come up with an agreement. Let's say we do not come up with a solution in the near term and we eventually go to Section 6 with this reserve issue still unresolved. Ain't NO way that RA is going to sign off on a negotiated Section 6 TA absent an agreement on reserve language that both sides are completely sure of.

So eventually, we will have an agreement, even if it is 2-3 years from now. I think what he was saying is that if we know that at some future point we will all be operating from the same playbook that we should be expending some efforts to making it a very favorable one (to the pilots, that is).

Yes, you do need to list them again, because I am not aware of them. I AM aware of:

- vacation slide
- bidding for CQ
- any reserve having vacation etc has his own personal reserve guarantee that is far less than the posted one
- 13% pay increase effective the amenable date of our prior contract (that would be the 4/8 of 4/8/3/3)

Yes there were some concessions but overall I am amused by the number of anti-ALPA guys who also state "wow I made a lot more than I expected last year."

The one area where I agree with you and Index is that we can't expect a handful of long call reserves to "take one for the team." We need more defined guidance from our union leadership, not "we consider our contract to be inviolable" and then not much else.

I'm willing to give our negotiators the benefit of the doubt for a little longer, but we need to hear a lot more concrete stuff from our union leadership real soon--and "contact your LEC rep to get the latest" isn't enough.

And there's the problem.

The company was forecast to make record profits. Why would we concede anything...and for 4833? :confused:

The problem isn't necessarily that we didn't get everything we wanted...although we clearly did not. Or maybe we did? Next time, let's see the survey results so we can make up our own minds.

And don't say "well, the rest of the industry was weighing us down." We gave up stuff we already negotiated for, stuff we already fought hard to get. Gave it back! That is the problem

That's why folks are highly skeptical of DALPA's ability to negotiate successfully against the company. But thanks for the recap the C12 sales job. Good times.

Legally you need to have 10 hours notice before STARTING short call, that's from the time you acknowledge the assignment to SC. You don't have to acknowledge a SC assignment (or any assignment for that matter) on your first on call day till 0200. Which means scheduling would be stupid to try to schedule you for SC that starts prior to 1200 - there would be no way for them to count on you actually being available at that time. You would have to acknowledge at exactly 0000 to be legal for a 1000 SC start. The 2 hour call out has nothing to do with it.

And by immediate, they mean exactly 2400. Not 0001 or 0002, but 2400. ;) 1000 SC for someone on their first on call day is not very practical, which explains why they haven't been doing it.
Number one rule - never, ever answer the phone when scheduling calls. Ever. Period. If it's important, they will leave a message.