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sailingfun 04-25-2014 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by 10000 (Post 1630061)
I was thinking more that instructors would be leaving to get on the equipment while they can. They can elect to go where ever their seniority holds when leaving the training department, but after the fence falls they might not be senior enough to jump on.

Sounds like a large % might leave this summer which might be part of the reason to hire instructors now.

If you look at the retirements coming training will be picking up. The 747 has a bunch of guys leaving in 15 and 16. I suspect the hiring is to cover coming attrition.

Alan Shore 04-25-2014 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1629704)
I understand the contract 'costs' the company more- that cost debatable depending on how you value it, (including 401k, medical plan valuation, higher sick pay *if you can use it, etc.

My understanding is that the valuation includes all changes to the PWA, which means it does NOT include items such as decreases to the value of our 401(k) when the market tanks, increases to the non-contractual medical plans should we choose to use them, etc. FWIW, I've used over half my sick leave, voluntarily verified those instances in which I used medical care (much to the chagrin of my CPO, I might add:D), and have NEVER felt compelled to fly while I was sick.


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1629704)
...my personal situation is such that working the same hours, no overtime (GS) during those years, on the same jet, no longevity raises, my W2 is still less than it was in 2011.

Forgive me, but how is that possible if the pay rate on that jet has increased by some amount?

Fly4hire 04-25-2014 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by 10000 (Post 1630061)
I was thinking more that instructors would be leaving to get on the equipment while they can. They can elect to go where ever their seniority holds when leaving the training department, but after the fence falls they might not be senior enough to jump on.

Sounds like a large % might leave this summer which might be part of the reason to hire instructors now.

Ding Ding Ding. After all the resume's, interviews, etc are done I'll bet dollars to donuts there will be a whole bunch of SLI's on the 744 who have never flown it nor can hold it.

flyallnite 04-25-2014 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1630078)
My understanding is that the valuation includes all changes to the PWA, which means it does NOT include items such as decreases to the value of our 401(k) when the market tanks, increases to the non-contractual medical plans should we choose to use them, etc. FWIW, I've used over half my sick leave, voluntarily verified those instances in which I used medical care (much to the chagrin of my CPO, I might add:D), and have NEVER felt compelled to fly while I was sick.



Forgive me, but how is that possible if the pay rate on that jet has increased by some amount?

The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.

Wilbur Wright 04-25-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by 10000 (Post 1630061)
I was thinking more that instructors would be leaving to get on the equipment while they can. They can elect to go where ever their seniority holds when leaving the training department, but after the fence falls they might not be senior enough to jump on.

Sounds like a large % might leave this summer which might be part of the reason to hire instructors now.

That makes sense.

Pineapple Guy 04-25-2014 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1630109)
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.

No - the profit sharing was HIGHER. 6.67% of pay last year; 8.26% of pay this year.

shiznit 04-25-2014 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1630109)
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.

The 2013 earned profit sharing percentage for every pilot was higher than the 2011 or 2012 percentage, even with the plan change.

The PWA added ADG and computer training rig and increases in daily vacation and training pay increase pay v. productivity.

I'd love to see your situation 'cuz I find it to be an outlier, but I'm open to seeing how it could have happened.

Herkflyr 04-25-2014 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1630109)
The trips are less productive and the profit sharing was lower. Believe me, I'm just as surprised.

You are either super-junior or just bidding the crappiest, lowest-time trips, and then doing nothing to swap for higher-time trips.

Most guys I fly with have expressed surprise with how much MORE they made in 2013 vice 2012.

Wilbur Wright 04-25-2014 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1630118)
No - the profit sharing was HIGHER. 6.67% of pay last year; 8.26% of pay this year.

The 8.26% will be in the 2014 W2. He said his 2013 W2 was less than his 2011. His 2013 W2 included the 6.67% of pay PS, do you know off the top of your head what the PS payout was in 2011?

Purple Drank 04-25-2014 06:48 AM

Flyallnite--you know you're onto something when the usual Dalpa suspects pile on in an obviously coordinated response with their tried and true talking points.


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