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Old 04-24-2014 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Dots?? I don't see how 7 340's would replace our 747 fleet...would they be another short term stop gap?
Evidently Virgin has 19 of them. Or in other words, we have 49 percent of 19 of them already...

Good sleuthing George!
Old 04-24-2014 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Evidently Virgin has 19 of them. Or in other words, we have 49 percent of 19 of them already...

Good sleuthing George!
LOL,
Actually, Virgin has been handing them back to Airbus.

IDK if the VS 340-600s are subject to the guaranteed resale value clause Airbus offered to some carriers.

That would be the ultimate financial gambit with Airbus paying VS a penalty for the loss of value that is greater than the actual purchase price for aircraft on the used market...

That leverage would enable Anderson to play this from the Virgin and Delta side benefiting both airlines. Generating cash for Virgin while getting rid of an unwanted type and providing nearly-free wide bodies for Delta.

Hmmm, there's this "fleeting opportunity" I see coming.
(no pun intended)

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Wow. That would be quite a coup.
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Doubt we'd ever buy another 4-holer.

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
No we ever buy another 4-holer.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Especially ones that don't make money.
Old 04-24-2014 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Especially ones that don't make money.
... so if it's way cheaper than a 777, burns less gas, and carries more, it's not making money because........????
Old 04-24-2014 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
... so if it's way cheaper than a 777, burns less gas, and carries more, it's not making money because........????
I'm not sure why, but the A340 apparently sucks, as much as the A330 is fabulous. Other than Virgin and Lufthansa, I have never seen one in person. The order books aren't exactly clogged with a backlog of A340s on order.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
... so if it's way cheaper than a 777, burns less gas, and carries more, it's not making money because........????
IDK, but if it did, why is VA getting rid of them?
Old 04-24-2014 | 01:31 PM
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IDK either. Maybe the routes suck, maybe the original price was too high. Maybe it just sucks. But George's numbers would indicate otherwise...
Old 04-24-2014 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
No we ever buy another 4-holer.
I've heard RA say that on a couple occasions, however the 2 for 1 mx deal from RR and very low acquisition cost could change things.

I'll give it about a 5% chance of happening.
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