shiznit

Ahhh, gotcha. I see... A "minimum calendar day", not an average.. I like where you're headed with that.
Nope. FA's don't have daily anything close to what we have, and I don't think 117 even applies to them anyway.
How did you find that out? Aren't negotiating positions supposed to be confidential or am I missing something?

flyallnite

That's a company decision, not ours. Not our problem unless DALPA makes it our problem. Same reason I don't care what other employees think of my pay. Let them go get a pilots license.

Personally, I think the company will not negotiate with us any further, including C015, because they've got the deal they want. RA was smart to dangle a minimal raise before the mega profits rolled in. We fell for it. It costs them nothing to keep the contract in place, as we are again outpaced by our colleagues at SWA, FDX. DALPA will continue to sell seat advancement due to attrition as a 'win'. Settle in...

Alan Shore

I agree with both of your last two statements, but I take issue with the first. We got 8.5% with a 33% reduction in profit sharing that was roughly equivalent to 2% of pay. This year, we got 3% on top of that.

I do like your notion of baby steps, though.

Alan Shore

While I agree with nearly everything here, I have yet to see DALPA selling "seat advancement due to attrition as a 'win'." That said, settling in is exactly what we need to do. I see little opportunity of a substantial net increase in cost in our PWA being achieved outside of mediation, let alone by the amendable date. My back-of-the-napkin math tells me that we would need to increase our annual costs by nearly $1B to fully restore our former buying power. I do not see RA giving that up until and unless he is completely backed into a corner and sees no other alternative.

Now then, given that the Delta pilots have received an annual increase in pay rates (two in 2012) every year since BK, how many here believe that we as a whole will have the stomach for a long-term fight? Not trying to start a fight over this -- I am truly wondering.

Alan Shore

I'm seeing a 3-hour minimum per duty period "for 1 layover" and "6 hrs for same day duty," whatever that means. Nothing by calendar day.

Their vacation pays 6:00 per day and CQ is 4:30.

flyallnite

Agreed, and I share your concerns!

DALPA has a banner at the top of the website announcing '### New Captains since C2012'.

Seems like a bit of flag waiving to me over something which they have no control...

Bucking Bar

What?

ALPA's been in negotiations since the beginning of the year. In other words, your representative is five months ahead of APA. Further, while we can expect that negotiations will result in something agreeable to both sides; the APA only has the expectation of a grievance procedure that they could lose.

Bucking Bar

C2012 scope which returns flying to mainline notwithstanding?

Who knows if the 717's would have shown up (I think they would). But, Delta saved a lot of money with the RJ swap and has yet to actually order about half of what they were allowed.

Alan Shore

Agreed. I hadn't seen that. Since the forum shut down, I've had little reason to travel to the website.

If I had to guess, that banner is to counteract those who suggest that C2012 has taken us backwards in career progression. In my view, neither position is accurate or appropriate.

Alan Shore

See my previous post on this. As I understand it, APA went through their FAR 117 negotiations as part of their BK/JCBA talks. Their view is that AMR is not honoring that agreement.