Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-28-2014, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I didn't like the 31/30 change, it was a concession that was traded for something else within the reserve system that was a benefit to the pilot group.
Bold is incorrect.
Under C2012, you are "Full" when you reach res. Guar...usually ALV-2:00 (or even less)
Before C2012, you were "Full" when you reached ALV or were within 2:00 of ALV because of DPM of 2:00.
Training did nothing fill up faster and lower your "Full" limit prior to C2012. Now it has a direct impact by lowering your "Full" and also replacing reserve days instead of pro-rating them. That means at least 2 extra days off each year.
Old PWA:
Res pay 70:00
Full when within ALV minus 2:00.
New PWA:
Res Pay 72:00-80:00
Full when within ALV minus 2:00-4:00
There is some myth out there that reserve pilots were done at 70:00 prior to the new PWA. That is not the case... Reserves were PAID 70:00 unless they flew above that up to the ALV.
Now: Reserves are paid 2-10 hours MORE than that whether they credit above 70:00 or not and they get up to 2 more true days off per month.
Reserve being a "massive concession" just isn't true. It is significantly better under the new PWA.
Bold is incorrect.
Under C2012, you are "Full" when you reach res. Guar...usually ALV-2:00 (or even less)
Before C2012, you were "Full" when you reached ALV or were within 2:00 of ALV because of DPM of 2:00.
Training did nothing fill up faster and lower your "Full" limit prior to C2012. Now it has a direct impact by lowering your "Full" and also replacing reserve days instead of pro-rating them. That means at least 2 extra days off each year.
Old PWA:
Res pay 70:00
Full when within ALV minus 2:00.
New PWA:
Res Pay 72:00-80:00
Full when within ALV minus 2:00-4:00
There is some myth out there that reserve pilots were done at 70:00 prior to the new PWA. That is not the case... Reserves were PAID 70:00 unless they flew above that up to the ALV.
Now: Reserves are paid 2-10 hours MORE than that whether they credit above 70:00 or not and they get up to 2 more true days off per month.
Reserve being a "massive concession" just isn't true. It is significantly better under the new PWA.
on that note, 717 new cities BTR, Lafayette LA and Shreveport.
04-28-2014, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I would if it were true. Again, if the reduction in QOL is a result of you actually having to work, then I will reluctantly agree, to a point, but it is not as a result of the contract itself .
04-28-2014, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
717 new cities BTR, Lafayette LA and Shreveport.
Don't just hate old guys sitting at the end of the bar trying to tell ya the history do the bar
Ferd
04-28-2014, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Then why did the company expend negotiating capital to wrest concessions from us?
04-28-2014, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Good to hear! BTR, an old DC-9 trip out of MEM.
Don't just hate old guys sitting at the end of the bar trying to tell ya the history do the bar
Ferd
Don't just hate old guys sitting at the end of the bar trying to tell ya the history do the bar
Ferd
/ trying to prevent senior FOs from bidding in
04-28-2014, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Actually, it just dilutes seniority.
04-28-2014, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Then why did the company expend negotiating capital to wrest concessions from us?
It's because that is what they do. They had efficiencies that they always could take advantage of, but were probably unable until the merger synergies reached a certain point. Anything else they could get in the negotiations were gravy. But like Ferd said, my QOL is much much better than it was before the contract. (and I'm junior in my category too)
04-28-2014, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I don't know, maybe it's my category, maybe it's because I now work for a more employee friendly company or maybe it's because I'm an optimist......but my QOL is better.
Denny
04-28-2014, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Not necessarily. What if you are senior and you get 2 one day GS's and the guy junior to you gets 2 4-day GS's because that's just what happened to be there? Goes both ways if we had a RAW score for GS's instead of just the number assigned. Should actually be more in favor of a senior bidder.
The old system steered all the food to only certain customers, the GS distribution improvement makes sure that everyone gets to eat, in seniority order.
It sort of feels to me like you're obsessing over OPP (other people's plates), after everyone's been served. When it was your turn, you were in a hurry, and you asked for the salad, but now that someone else is having the steak, you want an extra dish before everyone can move on to desert?
Put me down as a "no", on this one.
04-28-2014, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
A big problem I see with the reserve system is that the company has the luxury to use reserves from any base to cover any other bases' flying without penalty. If you are a lineholder in a category that is thin on reserves, too bad for you because you are unable to drop trips. The company on the other hand can cover your bases' trips with a reserve from a fat category with no penalty.
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