Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-07-2014, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I agree with your comprehension of the memo, however keep in mind the new litany is not finalized (not been published yet) and won't become effective until somewhere around June 2.
I'm not a big fan of some of the new stuff... particularly "start the engines right away!!" We're big boys and girls, and if you've been on an airplane more than a week you realize how the timing works for starting an engine. So now we're going to pee away a pile of gas... those single disconnect towbars are quicker, but sure aren't that much quicker.
Plus, it seems like we're adding words where words don't need to be added. beacon on? Why are we announcing that to the tug driver??
I'm not a big fan of some of the new stuff... particularly "start the engines right away!!" We're big boys and girls, and if you've been on an airplane more than a week you realize how the timing works for starting an engine. So now we're going to pee away a pile of gas... those single disconnect towbars are quicker, but sure aren't that much quicker.
Plus, it seems like we're adding words where words don't need to be added. beacon on? Why are we announcing that to the tug driver??
Did I just spend 20 minutes looking for a memo that hasn't been posted yet?
05-07-2014, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Did I just spend 20 minutes looking for a memo that hasn't been posted yet?
05-07-2014, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
FYI everyone. Mtc delay in MSP after gate return. FAs had gotten on the jet originally on a short turn with no food. Mtc says one hour for repair and so I went out for a quick lunch thing. Offered to get some for FAs but they rather have crew meals. Called catering, they said no prob see you in 45 mins.
After cracking open the gen, Mtc doesn't have parts. Another base does so they are going to send them to our destination and they slap a Cat A MEL on us. Time to button up but FAs meals not there. They state it is in their contract (remember North FAs had one) and they are waiting for their meals.
I offer to buy everyone a lunch of their choice to move the circus down the road so I put down $50, get them and the receipt of course, and off we go cause we have Asia connecting pax and it's now really tight for them.
Put in for reimbursement, easy.
Weeks later, I check time card, not so fast. $ not there. I call the CPSC and explain the situation and try to find out if I entered something wrong, etc.
Then, I get scolded. And rather sternly I might add
I was told never to do that again and that Delta will not pay for an expense like that. They will this one time only and that's it. I asked again about getting the flight out vs waiting another 30 mins for their crew meals that they were contractually allowed.
Again, I was told no and not to concern myself with their contract.
I reiterated about the extended delay to wait for them and the cause and effect it would have on our international connects and again I was told I was wrong.
Again FYI.
After cracking open the gen, Mtc doesn't have parts. Another base does so they are going to send them to our destination and they slap a Cat A MEL on us. Time to button up but FAs meals not there. They state it is in their contract (remember North FAs had one) and they are waiting for their meals.
I offer to buy everyone a lunch of their choice to move the circus down the road so I put down $50, get them and the receipt of course, and off we go cause we have Asia connecting pax and it's now really tight for them.
Put in for reimbursement, easy.
Weeks later, I check time card, not so fast. $ not there. I call the CPSC and explain the situation and try to find out if I entered something wrong, etc.
Then, I get scolded. And rather sternly I might add
I was told never to do that again and that Delta will not pay for an expense like that. They will this one time only and that's it. I asked again about getting the flight out vs waiting another 30 mins for their crew meals that they were contractually allowed.
Again, I was told no and not to concern myself with their contract.
I reiterated about the extended delay to wait for them and the cause and effect it would have on our international connects and again I was told I was wrong.
Again FYI.
Even my own union never got back to me on a rotation that I brought to their attention 8 months ago where I believe I was rerouted against our contract. I followed up every few weeks for awhile to get the same response. "It's a complicated reroute and we're still looking into it. We'll get back to you either way." I stopped following up on it and guess what? I never heard another word.
The $15/hour gate agent has more backing than us. You are not management. You are an hourly worker with a big responsibility, but pushing on time is not one of them. We get the cockpit ready and push when everyone else is ready. I wish it wasn't like that, but it is.
05-07-2014, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Click on "Flying" and it's right there. I spent a good while sniffing around before I finally found it. OC obviously has the skills to maintain total unobstructed cohesiveness with DeltaNet!
Found it!
….and now that I see it, it's always something (else), huh?
05-07-2014, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by duder
For all you DTW folks. Big changes coming for food options! $30M upgrade underway.
Detroit Metro Airport has variety of new retail, eateries on menu | The Detroit News
New Restaurants Coming:
Andiamo
Bigalora Cucina
Bruegger’s Bagels
Chick-fil-A
Corridor Kitchen
Crave Robata Grill & Bar
Embers Fire & Ice Lounge
Espressamente Illy
Fountain Bar
Gordon Biersch
Grobbel's Gourmet Deli
Longhorn Steakhouse
Mezza Mediterranean Grille
Palazzola's
Papa Joe’s Dining Room
Papa Joe’s Market
PF Chang's China Bistro
Pinkberry
Plum Market
Potbelly Sandwich Shop
The Shed
Zingerman’s Deli
So long Taco Bell. Coney Island is staying though!
Detroit Metro Airport has variety of new retail, eateries on menu | The Detroit News
New Restaurants Coming:
Andiamo
Bigalora Cucina
Bruegger’s Bagels
Chick-fil-A
Corridor Kitchen
Crave Robata Grill & Bar
Embers Fire & Ice Lounge
Espressamente Illy
Fountain Bar
Gordon Biersch
Grobbel's Gourmet Deli
Longhorn Steakhouse
Mezza Mediterranean Grille
Palazzola's
Papa Joe’s Dining Room
Papa Joe’s Market
PF Chang's China Bistro
Pinkberry
Plum Market
Potbelly Sandwich Shop
The Shed
Zingerman’s Deli
So long Taco Bell. Coney Island is staying though!
05-07-2014, 07:52 PM
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Alright, so I get it. Do the procedure, do the checklist, call for push, when cleared beacon on and tell tug driver "beacon on, brakes released, cleared to push." Then start immediately and don't worry if you're sitting there with one or two engines running while they disconnect. No more "time the start so that when the wing walker..." kind of like "start the APU so it's just coming up as we pull into the chocks..." or "start the second engine when the 757 in front of takes off, they have to give us two minutes..."
I get it. It's actually simpler, at least for the Douglas equipment folks. We've got the HYD cut your head off issue with the 88 dropping it's flaps and the 717 dropping flaps and slats at the gate. Until those guys pull the chocks and are clear you really don't want to hit those things and thus you don't really get ahead of that checklist. It'd be nice by the time the driver called that you were ready, but we're waiting on the driver to call to get started. Now, if it were up to me I'd pull HYD ON from the pushback, make it like the beacon as a no brainer and put the "ckd" on the after start... but that's just imho. Then we could get ahead. And I don't mind seeing the beacon dropped from the checklist, less is better.
Really I think they want to stop something you see in ATL sometimes where planes push and then the tug disconnects and they hang out starting the engine and doing the WDR and then doing the after start and then finally dropping the slats after hanging everyone up. And I kind of understand the 88s plight on that, a taxi check there compared to the 717 is a whole different ballgame when you have computer screens vs... the 88. But I got stuck on ramp 3 one day and watched a SWA jet push, as soon as they stopped the towbar disconnected and those guys were gone like they stole something, which according to AirTran
And Scambo I completely get what you're saying about the tug driver, but on the 88 and 717, those guys are blind as a bat and if you give them bad wing walkers...
It's more or less good to have the Captain and FO listening to the push clearance and what is said to the tug driver and what that guy says back. Such as ensuring the driver understood you're waiting for someone coming out vs going in vs a 757 vs a 88. You have a better chance of doing that if the FO is not running a checklist even though right now we don't move til it's done.
I also really think they're trying to strike the balance between those who go too slow (not always in the name of safety, just slow) and those who go way too fast.
I get it. It's actually simpler, at least for the Douglas equipment folks. We've got the HYD cut your head off issue with the 88 dropping it's flaps and the 717 dropping flaps and slats at the gate. Until those guys pull the chocks and are clear you really don't want to hit those things and thus you don't really get ahead of that checklist. It'd be nice by the time the driver called that you were ready, but we're waiting on the driver to call to get started. Now, if it were up to me I'd pull HYD ON from the pushback, make it like the beacon as a no brainer and put the "ckd" on the after start... but that's just imho. Then we could get ahead. And I don't mind seeing the beacon dropped from the checklist, less is better.
Really I think they want to stop something you see in ATL sometimes where planes push and then the tug disconnects and they hang out starting the engine and doing the WDR and then doing the after start and then finally dropping the slats after hanging everyone up. And I kind of understand the 88s plight on that, a taxi check there compared to the 717 is a whole different ballgame when you have computer screens vs... the 88. But I got stuck on ramp 3 one day and watched a SWA jet push, as soon as they stopped the towbar disconnected and those guys were gone like they stole something, which according to AirTran
And Scambo I completely get what you're saying about the tug driver, but on the 88 and 717, those guys are blind as a bat and if you give them bad wing walkers...
It's more or less good to have the Captain and FO listening to the push clearance and what is said to the tug driver and what that guy says back. Such as ensuring the driver understood you're waiting for someone coming out vs going in vs a 757 vs a 88. You have a better chance of doing that if the FO is not running a checklist even though right now we don't move til it's done.
I also really think they're trying to strike the balance between those who go too slow (not always in the name of safety, just slow) and those who go way too fast.
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05-07-2014, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Click on "Flying" and it's right there. I spent a good while sniffing around before I finally found it. OC obviously has the skills to maintain total unobstructed cohesiveness with DeltaNet!
They made a big mistake in there though. They said the yellow chevrons on the runway are not usable for takeoffs and landings. I know that's what every FAA private pilot book and guide says too but obviously if you want to use it to show off, then it's usable, amirite?
I mean it makes a really cool effect you know... and as long as nobody gets hurt what's the problem with doing something stupid?
Oh wait.
05-07-2014, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
It's about time. I like DTW but damn it had the worst food options of any of our hubs.
But, woo hoo chick-fil-a!
05-07-2014, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by duder
For all you DTW folks. Big changes coming for food options! $30M upgrade underway.
Detroit Metro Airport has variety of new retail, eateries on menu | The Detroit News
New Restaurants Coming:
Andiamo
Bigalora Cucina
Bruegger’s Bagels
Chick-fil-A
Corridor Kitchen
Crave Robata Grill & Bar
Embers Fire & Ice Lounge
Espressamente Illy
Fountain Bar
Gordon Biersch
Grobbel's Gourmet Deli
Longhorn Steakhouse
Mezza Mediterranean Grille
Palazzola's
Papa Joe’s Dining Room
Papa Joe’s Market
PF Chang's China Bistro
Pinkberry
Plum Market
Potbelly Sandwich Shop
The Shed
Zingerman’s Deli
So long Taco Bell. Coney Island is staying though!
Detroit Metro Airport has variety of new retail, eateries on menu | The Detroit News
New Restaurants Coming:
Andiamo
Bigalora Cucina
Bruegger’s Bagels
Chick-fil-A
Corridor Kitchen
Crave Robata Grill & Bar
Embers Fire & Ice Lounge
Espressamente Illy
Fountain Bar
Gordon Biersch
Grobbel's Gourmet Deli
Longhorn Steakhouse
Mezza Mediterranean Grille
Palazzola's
Papa Joe’s Dining Room
Papa Joe’s Market
PF Chang's China Bistro
Pinkberry
Plum Market
Potbelly Sandwich Shop
The Shed
Zingerman’s Deli
So long Taco Bell. Coney Island is staying though!
05-08-2014, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Found it!
….and now that I see it, it's always something (else), huh?
….and now that I see it, it's always something (else), huh?
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