shiznit

Wow, how did DALPA and NWALPA ever achieve such a feat?

Alfa, your argument doesn't hold much water.

Losing the CPS pilots WILL hurt the Delta pilots in long term.

More pilots=More leverage=More contractual gains.

Why can't the DAL reps figure it out? Our only chance now is to convince the EB that it should be put on hold until further study can be accomplished.

sailingfun

Delta has been promising a 100 seat jet since 1991 when they retired the DC-9's. They last purchase order for a 100 seat jet was in 1983 which is over 26 years ago. The last one was delivered in 1985. They don't plan on ever buying a 100 seat jet. They just trot out the same old tired road show about how any day they will purchase a 100 seat jet when they want a scope giveback.

acl65pilot

Sailing I get that but the fact is that if they ever do it will cone here. I know what you are saying and I to fin it hard to buy that we will get a hey with 24 more seats than a 76 seat jet. I see 105-110+.

On a side note. WHEN they want more seats in a "76 seat" jet the answer is YES at mainline!

Superpilot92

I agree! The markets are changing and the 100 seater is becoming more and more viable so when they're ready to buy them, then they can only be flown by Mainline Pilots!!!!

JungleBus

"100 seaters will be at mainline only!"

Latest in a long series of "lines in the sand." Every one of the previous ones fell, anything in particular make you so sure Moak is 100% steadfast on this one?

satchip

Hey Forgot to bid... Woooooooo. Pig. Sooie!

sailingfun

Moak was not the one who gave up the E170/175. It was done under the Malone administration via LOA 46.

johnso29

Oh what a victory for the pilot group. Regional FO wages that are soooo livable. Plus that did a whole lot for the guys on the street. Give me a break, what a joke.

NuGuy

Heyas Guys,

This whole thing stinks of an agenda that did not have anyone's best interests in mind.

Quite simply, the CPZ pilots were VERY happy with the their representation as it was, which was their respective fNWA LEC representitives. Each CPZ pilot counted towards each representitives roll call vote ability. This was coordinated through the non-voting CPZ ALPA Pilot Coordinator.

Now a change in representation took place against their wishes, without polling of their group, and without any form of "public notice" so that their LEC reps could properly solicit their membership.

I know for a fact that the fNWA reps pushed very hard to educate the other side, AND attempted to get polling and studies done showing that the present arrangement was in the best interests of both groups. They couldn't even get time to finish their work.

This wasn't something that HAD to be done at THIS particular time, other than to meet someone's timetable for some kind of agenda. February was clearly too late for these people to slide their agenda through. Yet when the cut of 400 DAL represented pilots happened, it didn't even make the hotline.

Just what tails are wagging the dog, here? I hope council 20 lives up to its rep and tells us what really happened.

Nu

slowplay

Good post.

The Executive Council will decide the Compass representation question. The Delta MEC had requested and been granted a 6 month delay on providing their recommendation. That delay ends October 26 with the next EC meeting.

Those that advocate no change to Compass representation structure haven't addressed several items:

1. When Compass was developed, there was a requirement that its representation structure be reviewed after one year. That's what is going on now. Why did the EC provide for that review?

2. When Compass was formed, every pilot initially started on probation with both the company and with ALPA. They had no membership from which to draw representation. Now there are only 12 Compass pilots who are apprentice members, the remaining 330 are full members.

3. There has been a representation dispute brought to the EC by a Compass pilot. It is my understanding that it was rejected because he was an apprentice member. That is no longer the case.

4. There is risk in "representing" pilots under a separate contract and seniority list.

5. There is no way to combine Compass or add them to the Delta seniority list without negotiation and management concurrence.

6. Adding Compass to the seniority list without including the scope of their flying would lead to an enormous whipsaw of Delta pilots. Their is no leverage that provides that scope protection.

7. The flows are contractual in nature and protected by a substantial scope penalty to Delta management. Why would they bargain away their right to operate 36 aircraft that they want on the property?