Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-10-2009, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
ALFA has a point there is a risk of a lawsuit here, but it ain't happened yet. Fear is a very bad thing, we have been fighting a losing scope battle for year, now it just looks like we do not even want to help ourselves.
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
10-10-2009, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Has there been any effort either through grievance or litigation to change the current Compass representation structure?
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
10-10-2009, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Has there been any effort either through grievance or litigation to change the current Compass representation structure?
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
If I thought Moak was going to in power at DALPA for a lot longer I'd be happy to be on our own because almost every move he's made since we became part of DALPA makes me respect him less and less. However, I think this 13-12 vote demonstrates how precarious his position is, and things might change in a big way after the LEC elections.
10-10-2009, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Everyone needs to remember one thing. Management merges companies and pilots deal with the merger. Repeat that until it sinks in. Pilots can plan all they want for grand unifications, but unless they control the companies it is pie in the sky. Until that happens, it is untenable to have the current situation. Does anyone think we could just go to management and ask them to merge? They would laugh in your face. Their first question would "what will you give up for this?" If your answer is "nothing" then end of conversation. People need to come back to Earth on this subject. The current setup is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I cannot believe 12 MEC members were too dumb to realize this. Once more, who merges companies?
Compass can be used to grease the skids for a number of corporate transactions which help Delta to manage DCI obligations. Compass jets could be exchanged for 50 seaters at an existing operator, used to whipsaw other DCI pilot groups, or simply sold. Any of these scenarios would have us in an ugly fight to protect "Delta pilots."
You have not told us, but my guess is that your crystal ball includes such threats that could potentially be problematic. The litigation threat isn't the Representation, but what we do with that representational obligation. Better yet to focus our energies elsewhere.
10-10-2009, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Has there been any effort either through grievance or litigation to change the current Compass representation structure?
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
ACL, the stove is hot. Don't touch it.
Hey, I know you're not afraid. Dang, sorry you burned yourself.
Further, if the thing ends up smelling like sulfur, ACL was no where near the cracking of the eggs used in that omelette.
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10-10-2009, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Alpha, I think I get your point. I'll try to elaborate and you can agree, or disagree.
Compass can be used to grease the skids for a number of corporate transactions which help Delta to manage DCI obligations. Compass jets could be exchanged for 50 seaters at an existing operator, used to whipsaw other DCI pilot groups, or simply sold. Any of these scenarios would have us in an ugly fight to protect "Delta pilots."
You have not told us, but my guess is that your crystal ball includes such threats that could potentially be problematic. The litigation threat isn't the Representation, but what we do with that representational obligation. Better yet to focus our energies elsewhere.
Compass can be used to grease the skids for a number of corporate transactions which help Delta to manage DCI obligations. Compass jets could be exchanged for 50 seaters at an existing operator, used to whipsaw other DCI pilot groups, or simply sold. Any of these scenarios would have us in an ugly fight to protect "Delta pilots."
You have not told us, but my guess is that your crystal ball includes such threats that could potentially be problematic. The litigation threat isn't the Representation, but what we do with that representational obligation. Better yet to focus our energies elsewhere.
Slow, no lawsuit that the rank and file had been made aware of.
Insee that you are warning me? Should I take that as a threat?
10-10-2009, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Change of subject, but what's up with delta net and icrew? I keep getting kicked out. I get inactivity messages some times before I finish reading my schedule!
10-10-2009, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
That is a rational explination on many levels.
Slow, no lawsuit that the rank and file had been made aware of.
Insee that you are warning me? Should I take that as a threat?
Slow, no lawsuit that the rank and file had been made aware of.
Insee that you are warning me? Should I take that as a threat?
10-10-2009, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
That is a rational explination on many levels.
Slow, no lawsuit that the rank and file had been made aware of.
Insee that you are warning me? Should I take that as a threat?
Slow, no lawsuit that the rank and file had been made aware of.
Insee that you are warning me? Should I take that as a threat?
10-10-2009, 08:05 AM
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I can agree with that. Many good things have happened. As our chair states we just disagree on 5% of the issues. They are the big ones though. I look at the other side of the issue to see why they see ut one way or another. I respect a difference of opinion. With an issue like this as divided a it is it is smart to wait and educate the group on the facts.
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