I was talking about before the TA was amended and approved. I can't think of a time in my years at ALPA where a TA was sent back to the negotiators without a vote of some kind to do so. You don't just say that on second thought we're going to renegotiate the TA based on comments from reps or members. During the redirect periods, that can certainly happen but not after a TA is reached. How did this happen if not for a vote by our reps to do so. If there was no vote, what was the catalyst?

Carl

Maybe the CDO's were never intended to be part of the agreement, but looked good to remove and make the pilots feel as though they had input and felt united. Just another way to sell it?

05-22-2014 | 04:57 PM

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RonRicco

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Originally Posted by 10000

Maybe the CDO's were never intended to be part of the agreement, but looked good to remove and make the pilots feel as though they had input and felt united. Just another way to sell it?

Is that chopper blades I hear in the darkness?

If they weren't in there to begin with, I really don't think 5:15 ADG etc needs to be sold...and based on what I know, I can say with 99.9 percent certainty, that CDO's were not there for that reason.

05-22-2014 | 05:05 PM

#158193

Rudder

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From: DL 7ER F/O

Does anyone else feel that when these TA's come along it is a bit like when Congress is in session? As in, what are we going to lose now? Have felt like this for awhile now and are really wondering when we as a group are going to wake up and really try to force some change in this regard.

Who is ALPA working for? Anyone else asking this right now besides me? Ferris?

05-22-2014 | 05:15 PM

#158194

DAWGS

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Tsquare and Carl have come togrther before. I have to go find the pic. May have had something to do with SWA.

. BFF 4EVER

Shiz is a pilot here. On a few things we have differing views but on what matters most, Auburn football, we are on the same page. He is a hard worker and done more for pilots then I have BUT i have posted more pictures and gifs then he has. So I am content with that.

It only takes 1 Oh $hlt to wipe out 1000 attaboys. This was that OH Shiz moment for schiz and others involved who supported and brought this to us. I am happy the ultimate correct decision was made, but scared as he11 it got so close. Totally unsat for our own union to agree to unsafe flying in a TA. It's fundamental to remember the primary purpose of our union. Contrary to what some were pushing "more money and time off!" I want that too but not at the expense of safety.

05-22-2014 | 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DAWGS

Give credit where credit is due. Our union did a great job today. SDP's were in there because the company wanted them and apparently there was a number of pilots that wanted them. After we made it known the SDP's were unacceptable the union listened and was able in the end to come away with a good deal without them. Well done!

05-22-2014 | 05:41 PM

#158196

scambo1

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From: 777B

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Well, I just went from a trending no to a hard yes. I'm so glad they heard us and pulled CDOs off of this thing.

I don't really even care about a memory rat at this point with CDOs off the table. I imagine there were hundreds if not thousands of angry emails and phone calls in regard to them being allowed.

Ditto".........

05-22-2014 | 05:46 PM

#158197

scambo1

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Originally Posted by Spudhauler

Not to rain on our self congratulatory parade, but now I want to think about next year. If this is the kind of stuff we can expect from our negotiating committee, my confidence is not high. I truly hope the MEC pulls those guys aside, in private, and tells them to get their bloody act together or they will be replaced. The fact that this even made it to the MEC is troubling.

To be fair, and I'm no koolaid drinking apologist, but the negotiating committee, via a resolution was directed to ask for SDP/cdo/illegals. They just did what the MEC directed.

The fact that this was an MEC pushed resolution without first polling the pilot group was the mistake.

05-22-2014 | 06:00 PM

#158198

scambo1

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From: 777B

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Originally Posted by Free Bird

I read earlier in this thread that this agreement would increase the number of Green Slips. Thoughts on GS's increasing or decreasing?

Definitely increases green slip opportunity.

Previous system, 16 hour prior trip in open time...likely green slip.

TA 12 hours prior, plus the mandate that trips have to go they the coverage process. Green slip city.

05-22-2014 | 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

The reps got bombarded with e-mails and calls.

I don't know who any of you "lurkers" are who did that, but --
raise a glass tonight and congratulate yourselves.

This was a very good day for the Delta pilots.

I'm not sure if I keep my head in the sand or what. I hadn't heard anything about the 'TA' until I saw it here. When I contacted my Rep he asked if I read the email..."WHAT Email?" But two phone calls later and a few texts...."CDO's are Gone - Still want Memrat?"

Again - NICE Going!!

Baja.