Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-23-2014 | 07:26 AM
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Being another Navy guy I will have to warn you, its a long running inside joke to intentionally mislabel military aircraft.
Most of the time its intentional. When the aircraft name is displayed in the picture/video I would say its 99% intentional.
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05-23-2014 | 07:36 AM
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05-23-2014 | 07:38 AM
Straight QOL, homie
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Let's stay positive--after all, it's DALPA's job to lower our expectations. They don't need our help!
We must continue to demand and expect huge gains in C15, and keep the pressure on DALPA to fight for it, and let the company know we're not going to fold up. This TA took a lot of the company's motivation to negotiate out of the equation. C15 will be a grind, and the company will certainly drag its feet.
I am, of course, disheartened by another shoddy product from the NC. The original TA was bad. However, I am glad our reps listened to us and drove some changes.
My takeaway is that we need to stay engaged...
We must continue to demand and expect huge gains in C15, and keep the pressure on DALPA to fight for it, and let the company know we're not going to fold up. This TA took a lot of the company's motivation to negotiate out of the equation. C15 will be a grind, and the company will certainly drag its feet.
I am, of course, disheartened by another shoddy product from the NC. The original TA was bad. However, I am glad our reps listened to us and drove some changes.
My takeaway is that we need to stay engaged...
05-23-2014 | 07:39 AM
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From: DAL 330
Originally Posted by gzsg;1649914[B
]So you think a process where our leaders can attempt CDO without any inclusion of the line pilots is not broken?[/B]
Let's all work together to ensure that our leaders understand we will not settle for one penny less than "historic" for C2015.
Let's all work together to ensure that our leaders understand we will not settle for one penny less than "historic" for C2015.
That is one way to look at it. Another way is that we, the Delta Pilot group, just received an important message on the value of remaining engaged.
And perhaps even more importantly, we re-emphasized the value and importance of seeking pilot input on important issues. The more potentially controversial and/or higher the impact to the Pilot group as a whole the more important pilot input is.
This looks like the union was about to make a big mistake, unwitting or not. Our guys are smart enough to learn from this.
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05-23-2014 | 07:42 AM
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Like sailingfun says, follow the money. The financials of a HI tieup make little if any sense. They bring nothing to the table that we cannot get organically, and besides, they are heavily tied to the yen which ain't doing so well these days..... jmho, ymmv
05-23-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Let's stay positive--after all, it's DALPA's job to lower our expectations. They don't need our help!
We must continue to demand and expect huge gains in C15, and keep the pressure on DALPA to fight for it, and let the company know we're not going to fold up. This TA took a lot of the company's motivation to negotiate out of the equation. C15 will be a grind, and the company will certainly drag its feet.
I am, of course, disheartened by another shoddy product from the NC. The original TA was bad. However, I am glad our reps listened to us and drove some changes.
My takeaway is that we need to stay engaged...
We must continue to demand and expect huge gains in C15, and keep the pressure on DALPA to fight for it, and let the company know we're not going to fold up. This TA took a lot of the company's motivation to negotiate out of the equation. C15 will be a grind, and the company will certainly drag its feet.
I am, of course, disheartened by another shoddy product from the NC. The original TA was bad. However, I am glad our reps listened to us and drove some changes.
My takeaway is that we need to stay engaged...
05-23-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Yes and Yes! This, after all, is the internet age. No matter how great an idea(s) 15 or so guys have at an LEC meeting, it(they) can be easily vetted by the entire pilot group via a one week poll/vote on the interweb.
There is virtually no excuse, in this day and age, for something as onerous as SDPs to be sprung on the pilot group at the nth hour. (We are very lucky that we dodged this bullet.)
Again, how this made it to the level it did, and how our chairman was able to sign an email announcing how great this TA was (that included these SDPs), is beyond unbelievable.
Is our MEC really that out of touch? (I intend to find out.)
I do not have great hope for 2015.
P.S. I still feel strongly that a TA that changes so many of our pay/work rules should be an automatic memrat.
There is virtually no excuse, in this day and age, for something as onerous as SDPs to be sprung on the pilot group at the nth hour. (We are very lucky that we dodged this bullet.)
Again, how this made it to the level it did, and how our chairman was able to sign an email announcing how great this TA was (that included these SDPs), is beyond unbelievable.
Is our MEC really that out of touch? (I intend to find out.)
I do not have great hope for 2015.
P.S. I still feel strongly that a TA that changes so many of our pay/work rules should be an automatic memrat.
The MEC was not out of touch. They had a list of items where there was a lot of feedback pilots wanted improved. At the very top of the list was a higher daily min and getting rid of 30 hour layovers. CDO's were part of a option to put a package together to achieve that. There were a lot of former NW pilots who flew and liked the trips and that feedback went to the MEC via reps in those bases. I just talked with a NW guy who is mad they removed them.
When CDO's went public it became obvious that overall the pilot group by a substantial margin did not want them and they were removed. The cost to the company to fly a CDO under the TA was going to be so high they would have been the choice of last resort anyway so it was not hard to get the company to agree to the change.
5:15 per day is huge and is going to improve all pilots Schedules. I had a international guy tell me it did nothing for him. He flies KEF and DUB a lot. I pointed out that a 3 day KEF now pays 15:45 and the 4 day Dublins now pay 21.
There is however always a downside to work rule changes. When 5:15 is programmed into the computer I suspect we are going to see more longer trips to generate minimum credit. As a commuter that's fine but guys who live in base may not like it. Watch for whining when the new trip mix shows up.
05-23-2014 | 07:51 AM
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Follow the money. A merger with HNL simply does not make sense financially.
05-23-2014 | 08:00 AM
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The MEC was not out of touch. They had a list of items where there was a lot of feedback pilots wanted improved. At the very top of the list was a higher daily min and getting rid of 30 hour layovers. CDO's were part of a option to put a package together to achieve that. There were a lot of former NW pilots who flew and liked the trips and that feedback went to the MEC via reps in those bases. I just talked with a NW guy who is mad they removed them.
When CDO's went public it became obvious that overall the pilot group by a substantial margin did not want them and they were removed. The cost to the company to fly a CDO under the TA was going to be so high they would have been the choice of last resort anyway so it was not hard to get the company to agree to the change.
5:15 per day is huge and is going to improve all pilots Schedules. I had a international guy tell me it did nothing for him. He flies KEF and DUB a lot. I pointed out that a 3 day KEF now pays 15:45 and the 4 day Dublins now pay 21.
There is however always a downside to work rule changes. When 5:15 is programmed into the computer I suspect we are going to see more longer trips to generate minimum credit. As a commuter that's fine but guys who live in base may not like it. Watch for whining when the new trip mix shows up.
When CDO's went public it became obvious that overall the pilot group by a substantial margin did not want them and they were removed. The cost to the company to fly a CDO under the TA was going to be so high they would have been the choice of last resort anyway so it was not hard to get the company to agree to the change.
5:15 per day is huge and is going to improve all pilots Schedules. I had a international guy tell me it did nothing for him. He flies KEF and DUB a lot. I pointed out that a 3 day KEF now pays 15:45 and the 4 day Dublins now pay 21.
There is however always a downside to work rule changes. When 5:15 is programmed into the computer I suspect we are going to see more longer trips to generate minimum credit. As a commuter that's fine but guys who live in base may not like it. Watch for whining when the new trip mix shows up.
05-23-2014 | 08:04 AM
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at a station (at or away from base) at which the pilot is scheduled for block-in to block-out time of more than five hours (upon the pilot’s request).
Exception: If travel time to a co-terminal is part of the scheduled block-in to block- out time, the pilot will be provided lodging (upon his request) if the total ground time is more than the sum of five hours plus the ground travel time under Section 8 B. 3.
at a station (at or away from base) at which the pilot is scheduled for block-in to block-out time of more than five hours (upon the pilot’s request).
Exception: If travel time to a co-terminal is part of the scheduled block-in to block- out time, the pilot will be provided lodging (upon his request) if the total ground time is more than the sum of five hours plus the ground travel time under Section 8 B. 3.
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