Riddle me this, there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 three day guys available for a three day trip tomorrow and 1 four day guy. How does the 4 day guy get assigned the 3 day trip?

Denny

 

Are the 3 day guys due 30 hours off in a 7 day (16? hour) period?

 

That's why it's so critical for the negotiators to follow the direction of the reps to the letter. If they can't get it from management, then you walk away. You don't just sign off on something you think is close. Yet "Scrappy's" team has now done that twice.

It's way simpler than that Alan. The reps communicate to the NC, and the NC listens! Period. If you don't like that, then resign of the NC, because that's the rules. Scrappy has flouted the rules twice now by bringing TA's that did not meet the direction. The first time, they got away with it because our reps didn't fight it. This time, it failed because the pilots had seen this movie before and wanted their money back.

This "system" we've devolved into can't be defended. Nobody could argue this is optimum. We look weak and foolish right now in management's eyes. We need to change that if possible before C2015 openers. One nice change would be to strictly abide by our own policies.

Carl

 

Just give them a call and ask why.

They are new or b/c they can. They seem to always have a reason.

 

Yes. This subcommittee of the scheduling committee was created specifically for 117 negotiations. Their charge was to find a way to increase pay/credit hours per day while still remaining within the new legal framework defined by 117. One of the concepts this subcommittee devised to raise pay/credit time was the adoption of CDO's.

Carl

 

No, Fly4hire's statements were correct. You are incorrect.

That's true.

Almost right except the last and most important part. The first TA that included CDO's did not include the specific conditions and limitations insisted upon by the reps in order for them to support the inclusion of CDO's. When the reps saw the TA and the absence of their conditions and limitations, many were angry and wanted the NC to go back to the table and get them. Huge FUD campaign ensued with all the typical reasons as to why you couldn't ask the NC to go back to the table after they'd signed the TA with management. The reps probably would have been cowed into submission were it not for the near record influx of calls and emails to our reps and the MEC admin.

Maybe not, but the NC was damn sure blindsided by the reps' resolve. And our reps' resolve was a direct result of line pilot outrage.

Carl

 

I just looked again, there are 3 three day guys and they are all on shortcall tomorrow (along with the 2 two day guys and the one 5 day guy). Everybody is on shortcall except the 1 day guys...

I've just got to wonder....

I did try calling, was asked to call back later. Haven't done it yet.

Denny

 

Whenever I call to question, it's always something I didn't think of, or missed in the contract.

When I think I've finally got it figured out, it changes.

 

Hopefully they were given a blanket party by all the guys who would have been furloughed due to massively increased productivity this incredibly stupid/from a pilot perspective/ idea would have caused. Probably the bottom 15 %of the list. Tell me your address an I'll be sure to attend the next beating if you mention this company antipilot wet dream again.

 

IMO this is a bad idea for a number of reasons. 1. I kinda feel like that would be pulling up the ladder and causing delta to hire fewer pilots which would prevent advancement for those both on and off the seniority list. 2. Some group is going to get screwed pay wise. Either by having their pay reduced or not going up the same amount. 3. (And this should be number one but I'm not retyping this. ) This will impact the QOL of A LOT of pilots. If money is taken out of the QOL equation, you are left with seniority as the major determining factor in QOL and guys will definitely exercise it to the detriment of many.

Denny