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Old 07-12-2014, 04:07 AM
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Got passed on the interstate by a Delta pilot wearing his hat while driving his Tahoe.




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Old 07-12-2014, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
Got passed on the interstate by a Delta pilot wearing his hat while driving his Tahoe.




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You drive like a granny.
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Old 07-12-2014, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore View Post
May one assume that you've neither played nor coached the game?
You don't really "play" soccer, as its not really even a sport. I did jog around a field with a soccer ball on it for a couple years. Boooooooooring.

I do respect parents that volunteer to be soccer "coaches" (again, not really the right term). Not because there's anything validating about soccer, but because volunteering to organize and supervise a bunch of kids in anything is a Herculean effort.

Don't get me wrong, I would have loved the US to win that pathetic, uninspiring little participation trophy. Mostly so we could brag about it while not really giving a darn, and that's exactly what that "sport" deserves.

Funny thing is, once the US puts our minds to something, we're pretty much unbeatable. Even though its about as exciting as a game of Jenga, the US is casually getting into it. I bet in a decade or so we're the dominant nation.

But until then, there's two reasons to watch soccer: to roll our eyes at the nations that don't have a real national sport, and to be thankful we have all the great ones.





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Old 07-12-2014, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Gloopy,

EtD update, 240 apps, 60ish qualified, so far around 40 interviewed, only 5 have made it. These were the top resumes too. At this rate, we need 10's of thousands of apps to find enough people to cover the 9E flying.
Wow, if true that's very interesting. I didn't think it would work, but I didn't think it wouldn't work as bad as it apparently isn't working.

I just assumed they would lower the standards (or increase the tolerances, however one would like to phrase it) but if those numbers were anywhere near correct, they could triple their success rate and still not make a dent.

As for the other side of that stratedgy, how's morale been with the troops with the arrival of the first of the "golden children"?
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk View Post
I think we're talking past each other now. I am not saying you would be "professional" or "unprofessional" by following the contract to the letter.

I am saying, if you choose to go "above and beyond" now, but after six months of C2015 negotiations, choose not to do the same exact thing, because you're upset at the company for taking too long in negotiations, then the poor intent - in my mind - leads to an act of unprofessionalism.

P.S. Some people prefer to term it as leverage. Old NWA called it, "meet B.O.B."
I have to agree with Purple in one of his points. The above and beyond is something that bean counters have no way to a monetary value on so it doesn't exist in their world. You are talking about a job action, B.O.B. (block or better for those that don't know), I, and I believe Purple, are talking about the extra stuff that makes the daily operation go sooo much smoother than it should in reality.

I will give you an example from my own experience. I was on Express, our 737 operation in MCO, crew scheduling knew that if they called me I could/would be to the airport in 20 minutes because I lived in Orlando. They would call all the time to see if I could get there quickly in order to do FCF's to get an airplane back into service. They knew that I would park in the hyatt parking lot, on my own dime, and be there faster than anyone other than someone sitting at the airport. I did this because I thought that Delta would always take care of me. I had heard the stories about the Delta family. Then came force majeur, furlough, bankruptcy and continually backward negotiations. It was made very apparent that ultimately you are just a number to the bean counters, because they can put a monetary value on a furlough. Heck they even knew the exact amount of days a pilot had to be out in order for it to be cost effective.

So long story short, after 3 years of furlough they lost that drive in me to go way beyond. I fly my trips, I still get stroller for moms in the jetway (not because it helps Delta but because it's the right thing to do), I hand out wings to kids and invite them to see the cockpit (this is one of my favorite things about the job).

The funny thing is that for the pilots not getting furloughed the time that the furloughees were on the street were some of the best years of money making and they have a very different slant on Delta and that time period. Those lucky enough to stay on property had C2K rates for 3 years and the ability, if they chose to do so, to greenslip much more which many took advantage of at the time.
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Let the lowering of expectations begin.



There are a thousand reasons why we deserve and will attain "historic" gains in C2015, but the fact that management is sending $2.75 BILLION back to the shareholders in a second round of buy backs and dividends says it all. The profits and free cash flow are so large management does not know what to do with the money so they are returning it to the shareholders..
Not saying I agree with it, but I thought the whole goal of a corporation is to "increase shareholder wealth." Paying dividends and driving up the stock price seems to be in line with that idea.
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco View Post
Not saying I agree with it, but I thought the whole goal of a corporation is to "increase shareholder wealth." Paying dividends and driving up the stock price seems to be in line with that idea.
So where do you sit on the 4th floor?
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco View Post
Not saying I agree with it, but I thought the whole goal of a corporation is to "increase shareholder wealth." Paying dividends and driving up the stock price seems to be in line with that idea.
And it is no coincidence that most of management is paid in....

shares of stock.

Any wonder why they always want -you- to pick up the tab?
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
You don't really "play" soccer, as its not really even a sport. I did jog around a field with a soccer ball on it for a couple years. Boooooooooring.

I do respect parents that volunteer to be soccer "coaches" (again, not really the right term). Not because there's anything validating about soccer, but because volunteering to organize and supervise a bunch of kids in anything is a Herculean effort.

Don't get me wrong, I would have loved the US to win that pathetic, uninspiring little participation trophy. Mostly so we could brag about it while not really giving a darn, and that's exactly what that "sport" deserves.

Funny thing is, once the US puts our minds to something, we're pretty much unbeatable. Even though its about as exciting as a game of Jenga, the US is casually getting into it. I bet in a decade or so we're the dominant nation.

But until then, there's two reasons to watch soccer: to roll our eyes at the nations that don't have a real national sport, and to be thankful we have all the great ones.





I like that. Jack Lambert.
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
Got passed on the interstate by a Delta pilot wearing his hat while driving his Tahoe.




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How about filing his car up with gas, I kid you not..
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