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Old 07-31-2014 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Clowns on Fire
3bil, you seem to be posting more since Purple Drank was banned. Keep up the good work.
Really Drank? It's pretty obvious who you are. Welcome back anyway... I guess.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Really Drank? It's pretty obvious who you are. Welcome back anyway... I guess.
honey, I'm home! Did you miss me?

No sense hiding. Smart guys (and you) were bound to figure it out.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:09 AM
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Who's Purple Drank? : )
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Specifically, in October 2000 when the Delta MEC excluded the ASA and Comair pilots' attempt at finding a single carrier status with Delta.
Good points over all. But its critical to acknowledge in that particular instance the incredible arrogance of the ASA/CMR leaderships. While they feigned innocence about "the integrity of the process" that very thing was their thinly veiled cover to "go for it" with a blatant seniority grab. Once green lighted, a staple would have been the floor, so why not take a chance at more? That is one reason why it was so vehemently (and justifiably) opposed.

There can never, ever, be any step toward "unity" with regional airlines that give even a theoretical chance at arbitration or anything greater than a staple. Ironically, under almost every scenario, even a pre-agreed upon staple gives them that chance because once you're in you're in and can then sue for more.

The solution needs to be 100% from the mainline side to recapture at the bottom end at this point. Even PCL wend behind our backs and negotiated directly with DL management for DAL scope and hiring preferences up to and including top secret "vault letters" and that can not be rewarded or treated as leverage. We need to reduce large RJ's at regionals bring that lift here unilaterally at this point. We have already given a lot to DCI that has no leverage and is imploding as it is. I'm in favor of hiring an equivalent number of pilots to the large RJ's we re-insource, but we're basically doing that anyway.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
It ain't a Delta airplane until it's sitting on the ramp with a widget on the tail. It ain't a Delta job until there is a bid saying so. You and I aren't gonna live long enough to see 330A, my friend. And Ill betcha the 74 guys won't leave until they turn 65....

At least reserve is better than is used to be.
I'm already planning for my displacement to the -800.

There are worse things than flying back and forth to islands in the Caribbean.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:22 AM
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So reading between the lines on the update, the 333IGWs are the 744 replacement. No mention of sailing's ever talked about delivery delay on them.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Naive statement of the day. Our scope has nothing to do with what airplanes they buy in the big scheme of things going forward.
I'm not the naive one here.

If the RJs had not been allowed to fly via scope than DC9 sized aircraft would have had to be ordered at some point.

If we did not allow so many of our passengers to be flown on other airlines it would change the needs for what airplanes were ordered.

The JVs are taking jobs on the high end and we allow it via scope.

We need better language and we need to strongly enforce it.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
And are we going to have to give anything up for that?


Nevermind.

We always seem to be playing chess agains a company that is a grandmaster chess player. :roll eyes:
Funny they ended up with the highest block hour costs in the industry.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?
Short answer: no, of course not.

Long answer: that depends. first of all we are faced with an inexcapable version of exactly that scenario at all levels of our flying in every theatre. The yield trashers/capacity dumpers are about to go bat dung crazy flooding markets and from EK to JB they are counting on DL to gift them capacity to keep our YoY profit growth up. It is a collision course with reality and we will either have to fight that battle or slowly go away.

The Delta network has been and will continue to change, and its been known for a long time that the 744's were probably next on the chopping block in the WB fleet(constantly talked about how much RA doesn't like 4 engines).
True, but the rub with this particular scenario was the panic chaotic urgency which it came about. Literally a coupld days after releasing bids based on keeping them, and hours before the bid closed, 1/4 of the fleet was suddenly parked. In the same breath they talk about growth in Asia.

Now, maybe we're parking 4 (soon all) 747's to replace all that lift with smaller planes like the 330. Fine, whatever. Less hourly pay but way more pilot jobs. But that doesn't seem to be the case because that's a lot of lift to be parked immediately, and only possibly replaced by future RFP's many years down the road. Those 330's that were supposed to be "growth" suddenly aren't anymore. What's next?

Are we shrinking to accomodate EK/etc growth? Making room for some failed pathetic government welfare case like Skymark by piling on our corporate charity at our pilots' expense? What's going on? Its a theatre poised for massive growth (much of it fake Keynesian growth that won't pan out, but there most certainlly is still growth potential there) or are we funding irrational competitors with capacity charity at our expense?

With all the "suddenly available" lift from the Atlantic seasonal pull down, how will that lift be replaced in time for the next upswing when we will only have a couple more 330's by then? Or do we plan on yielding that to our "partners" too? It seems like we could be getting set up for a huge in our face "grieve it, punk!" production balance where they just continue to gut the cure period evem more instead of actually curing anything, and then say "what are you going to do about it?" at the end and use it as leverage to baseline down whatever remedy they end up offering because hey, at least its something?


It is odd that they will pull 3 planes of flying in late Sept. but not displace until 2015. I'm sure there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Displacing those positions would have a similar training waterfall effect as staffing them, at least for a while. Not to mention potential no freeze double bids, paid moves, etc.

The timing of this announcement, blatantly sugar coated on the front end with "good news" about first time captains and all that, just smells like a rat the more you sniff it. Something it up and this is only a small part of it.
Old 07-31-2014 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
So reading between the lines on the update, the 333IGWs are the 744 replacement. No mention of sailing's ever talked about delivery delay on them.
Just call and ask anyone in the 330 program. First jet now will come in May. That's why no bids for the new jets yet.
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