Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Or Green slip on the 30th and agree to fly 5 days into next month ... if you want to fly on the 30th.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Exactly. And I see where Swelbar modified his bio to leave out the following, which was previously in it:

"Prior to accepting his research position at MIT, Swelbar spent 25 years in the consulting world with a focus on airline labor cost restructuring, regulatory issues governing air transport, communication strategy and support, and air service development on behalf of airports and communities."

Originally Posted by Piklepausepull

Hey you 88A guys better step up! 45 hours a month? Yer killin' me! I'm werkin' my a$$ off here!

Oh! That f/a negotiating our contract just happens to be an LA call girl who has RA's fetish down pat! (I hope)

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

A bridge exists between Purple Drank and Liene Lodge's positions.

The whole point of a national union is so that we can coordinate our interests before we sit down with management. We can coordinate to unify. In unity there is power.

Unfortunately we've had successive administrations, both local and national, which have failed to administer our Association in accordance with it's governing documents. Structurally, we lack any sort of judiciary function except for action by our Status Reps, most of whom don't truly understand the Admin Manual and Constitution. As a result attorneys from National come down, run over our Reps like a Zampolit in the old Soviet empire.

Much of this problem exists so that our union can engage in selling one member's job to benefit another member. We are where that problem starts, and ends.

Mark my words, ALPA is probably going to lose this whole NAI fight because we lack the moral authenticity to take a political stand. A certificate of convenience in Ireland is not a whole lot different than one in Columbus Ohio, St. George, Utah, or College Park, Georgia. What is the difference? NAI pays better than DCI. We've been selling every job we could for years. Are we just ****ed because we are not getting paid?

Don't get me wrong, fighting NAI is the right thing to do and I send money to help ALPA PAC in their mission. But, our hypocrisy on DCI muddies the water too much to pigeonhole anyone on NAI.

Originally Posted by EdGrimley

Good catch! Btw, Sailing has a long history of selectively using so called "data" (whether pulling from the Swellbars of the industry or slicing and dicing info from ALPA/Delta headquarters). Crafty, lawyerly ways. You gotta admit it's kind of stinky. Reminds me of this guy:

Originally Posted by newKnow

There is an AE out.


NYC 717 Base. 20 Captains/30 FO's

10 ATL 777 Captains

15 SEA 330 Captains

15 73N NYC/SLC 73N Captains (each)


More stuff, too. That's the hilights.

Originally Posted by newKnow

There is an AE out.


NYC 717 Base. 20 Captains/30 FO's

10 ATL 777 Captains

15 SEA 330 Captains

15 73N NYC/SLC 73N Captains (each)


More stuff, too. That's the hilights.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Yet no one else ever posts any data to refute those numbers. That data is simply collated from the airline form 4's submitted by the government. Quick and easy for the union to cross check. To think are management would risk going to jail to try and change something easily checked is a bit far fetched. The numbers are in line with numbers from the union and company in years past.