Ha Ha still has lots of rings.

 

How do you see that improving your personal situation or that of your fellow pilots going forward?

If you were saying that you carefully filled out your survey, gave input to your reps, participated in the process and when a TA came out and it did not meet your needs/desires and you voted "No" while looking for the option to vote "Oh Hell No, Stick It Up Your Ass", I would say right on brotha!! Instead you leave me with this.

 

How 'bout them SeaHawks! Was at my favorite watering hole (you know the one fig) to watch the game and got side tracked for most of it!

Hey FTB, all I can say is.......isn't copycatting the sincerest form of flattery?! And......whatever works!

Hey Buzz, how many times did Aaron throw Sherman's way.

Denny

 

+1..............

 

ALPA puts a lot of time into the wording of the survey questions. They are trying to steer the results where they want them to be.

 

Exactly my point. Nor did they receive any emails in support of 5:15 ADG or the A330 rest bunk. Constituents rarely, if ever, send unsolicited input when they're happy with what they see.

My glass-is-half-full mentality contemplates another possible, that of DALPA thinking about what the Company might come after and wanting to gauge our opinion on those subjects. I for one am happy to be able to tell my reps in no uncertain terms how I feel about each of these subjects.

You and I both know that there is a world of difference between a poll or survey, which presupposes that little to no action has yet taken place on the subject at hand and a vote on a subject after such action has been taken.

 

I agree with the first part of your statement, but disagree with the second. My read of the survey is that they're trying very hard to provide us with options -- not just yes or no, but this vs. that. As many questions are preceded with explanations that read like pro/con papers, I have no sense that they're trying to steer my answers in one direction or another.

 

"The Contract survey is the first step towards a strike vote"
-Capt. Donatelli

What has more leverage for Negotiators: a 53% turnout for a strike vote or 99% turnout for a strike vote?

If we get 99% of our fellow pilots to do the survey, it gives the NC a strong mandate at the table to get much more of what we ask.

If only half do the survey, well, that's not nearly the same amount of leverage for the NC is it?

Are you going to help IMPROVE the NC's leverage to get a better deal or are you going to REDUCE the NC's leverage?

If you are satisfied with 4/8/3/3 sure, let's have only 53% do the survey again.

 

I have to agree with Shiz on this, and I guess Carl as well. Pilots give input/direction in many different ways. Look at the CDO issue, there was no survey or poll (that I know of anyway) but pilots gave input directly to their reps and were heard.

With a 53 percent response rate on a survey, that certainly leaves the door open that 47 percent of pilots with differing (or maybe the same) views gave input to their reps in alternative ways and unless we consider the survey the ultimate mandate, that form of input must be factored in as well.

How do you make the survey the ultimate, or at least the heaviest weighted mandate? 100 percent participation. For every pilot that refuses to fill it out, the less statistically valid it becomes.

Say we only end up with 40 percent that fill it out this time and the vote on CDO's is slightly "no", but the squeaky wheel this time happens to be people that are in favor. The rep is going to have to make more of a judgement call when it come to saying "no to cdo" than he otherwise would have if the participation rate was 100 percent.

The survey is but one form of input. The less participation, the more discretion you are giving to your reps. For me, that isn't exactly an option I am thrilled about considering the 117 issue.....

 

Alan,
I have a tough time believing that the reps didn't also get an earful from 330 guys on the rest facility.

But, generally speaking, I agree with you that including CDOs on the survey is not a guarantee that we will see them in c15, but possibly a gauge of sentiment on them from the pilot group as a whole. However, there is clearly a faction on the MEC that won't let them die.

I truly wish I had a glass half full view on the union. Unfortunately, with me they have an uphill battle to regain "trust." In fact, they have an uphill battle to regain "trust but verify" with me.

People jump on hockey pilot for saying what he said, but at least I understand where he is coming from...whether or not his view is constructive.