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Old 09-29-2014 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
I think your numbers on the RMA are way off. I got 42k when I took the last offer at 62yrs/11mos.
The RMA was based on years of service not age. The max was 120k but I don't know how it broke down by years.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The 6 pilots mentioned would have all stayed until 0 to 2 months prior to their age 65 normal retirement. In exchange for 0 to two months pay they passed on getting somewhere around 30 weeks of pay and the RMA which was less then I first mentioned but the other poster got 42,000. The max RMA was 120k but that was lots of years of service. To me that's paying the company to work.
That's government style accounting. They didn't get as much for their service, true, but hardly qualifies as paying the company. Kind of like the rhetoric I keep hearing about the 747 guys losing money by hanging around until 65. If that were true, why are they still here?
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:33 PM
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This is what KILLS us at the bottom, and makes all this hiring and retiring meaningless to the guys already here and in the bottom third, as far as advancement goes: all the upward movement is stopped via "no backfilling".
From the AE award info:
744 – With the news of the four 744 retirements in 2014 we will not backfill up to 10 Captains and 10 First Officers on this AE
777 – ...we will draw down the DTW-777 categories as pilots bid off and we may post DTW-777 displacements in 2015....We will not backfill up to 5 DTW Captain and DTW F/O positions.
330 – ...We will not backfill up to 15 DTW-330 F/Os on this AE.
765 – ...We will not backfill up to a total of 8 Captains and 8 F/Os on this bid.
7ER – ...At this time, we are not adding Captains and may not backfill DTW and MSP as Captains bid off. ...We will not backfill up to 10 DTW F/Os.
73N – ...We will not backfill up to 15 CVG Captain and 15 CVG First Officer pilots.
320 – ...We may not backfill DTW and MSP Captains and DTW and MSP First Officers.
M88 –...We will not backfill up to 10 CVG Captains and 10 CVG Frist Officers.

So there you have it in a nutshell, all the "openings" for Capts will be MORE THAN DESTROYED for junior advancement, by "not backfilling". Just one more in a long line of AEs that look good on the surface, and guys will come on here and post "look at all the CAPT positions Delta added!", but the details show more CAPT positions deleted via "not backfilling".

Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here telling us how great this is and how many CAPT positions we're getting...
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Please explain the highlighted sentence. They didn't pay anybody.

I agree with the rest.. especially for the 777 guys since the company will then be in no hurry to replace them.
Not sure I get the 777 part since the company plans a increase in 777 block hours. That is why they have been adding Captains in ATL.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not sure I get the 777 part since the company plans a increase in 777 block hours. That is why they have been adding CA in ATL.
I was referring to the early retirement program. They WOULD be foolish to pass it by since they will not go early because the company will be in no hurry to replace them.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
That's government style accounting. They didn't get as much for their service, true, but hardly qualifies as paying the company. Kind of like the rhetoric I keep hearing about the 747 guys losing money by hanging around until 65. If that were true, why are they still here?
Because it's not true. They are making huge amounts of money by staying.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
This is what KILLS us at the bottom, and makes all this hiring and retiring meaningless to the guys already here and in the bottom third, as far as advancement goes: all the upward movement is stopped via "no backfilling".
From the AE award info:
744 – With the news of the four 744 retirements in 2014 we will not backfill up to 10 Captains and 10 First Officers on this AE
777 – ...we will draw down the DTW-777 categories as pilots bid off and we may post DTW-777 displacements in 2015....We will not backfill up to 5 DTW Captain and DTW F/O positions.
330 – ...We will not backfill up to 15 DTW-330 F/Os on this AE.
765 – ...We will not backfill up to a total of 8 Captains and 8 F/Os on this bid.
7ER – ...At this time, we are not adding Captains and may not backfill DTW and MSP as Captains bid off. ...We will not backfill up to 10 DTW F/Os.
73N – ...We will not backfill up to 15 CVG Captain and 15 CVG First Officer pilots.
320 – ...We may not backfill DTW and MSP Captains and DTW and MSP First Officers.
M88 –...We will not backfill up to 10 CVG Captains and 10 CVG Frist Officers.

So there you have it in a nutshell, all the "openings" for Capts will be MORE THAN DESTROYED for junior advancement, by "not backfilling". Just one more in a long line of AEs that look good on the surface, and guys will come on here and post "look at all the CAPT positions Delta added!", but the details show more CAPT positions deleted via "not backfilling".

Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here telling us how great this is and how many CAPT positions we're getting...

We have had AE's posted for a NET gain of over 900 CA's positions since contract 2012 was signed. 775 have been trained and converted.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here ...

Hey, I like it when Cheerleaders get on here. What you got against Cheerleaders?

TSquare ... need some help here.
Old 09-29-2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Hey, I like it when Cheerleaders get on here. What you got against Cheerleaders?

TSquare ... need some help here.
I'm going to South Carolina this year... I'll get back to ya.
Old 09-29-2014 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We have had AE's posted for a NET gain of over 900 CA's positions since contract 2012 was signed. 775 have been trained and converted.
And that would be exactly what Mr. RoadKill was talking about.

Sailing that sounds really great, but the fact is that as a 2001 hire who still resides on ATL88B, I can tell you I've moved up maybe 20 numbers in my category this last year.

Just keep telling us how great it is.
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