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Old 10-21-2014 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Not a big deal, you have a copy of the release, if everything is not how it should be just don't push. The rel could be signed when doing the paperwork and handed to the agent.
Would you do that with an FAA guy on board?
Old 10-21-2014 | 06:24 AM
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Just keep in mind that if you sign the release and hand it over early, the agent now has no reason to stick their head in the cockpit and trade you for the updated weather...what this really means is that they can shut the door without asking if you are ready. And they will. Ever have a last minute glitch and then have to call ops to get the agent, who has already sprinted to their next gate or the coffee machine, to come back...it is a goat rope! I would hope that the first Captains that get this directive, send it to the ALPA machine for clarification. That's what they are there for.

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Old 10-21-2014 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
No. Signing the release says that you have the updated weather addendum and paper fuel slip if required. You do not have those items at the gate.
I won't even sign it until the fuel load is correct, I keep it on my yoke clip to remind me we don't have our fuel yet! No way am I going to sign it at the desk and walk onto the airplane...with the cabin cleaners still doing their thing, long before we have all the required items.

This is obviously some tool's attempt to reduce "gate latency".
Old 10-21-2014 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LowPhlyer
Just keep in mind that if you sign the release and hand it over early, the agent now has no reason to stick their head in the cockpit and trade you for the updated weather...what this really means is that they can shut the door without asking if you are ready. And they will. Ever have a last minute glitch and then have to call ops to get the agent, who has already sprinted to their next gate or the coffee machine, to come back...it is a goat rope! I would hope that the first Captains that get this directive, send it to the ALPA machine for clarification. That's what they are there for.

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So, unless I am missing something, you don't know for sure whether you can get an esfr, or whether you need to "stay at the gate" until you get the 7 minute chime. Without changing the procedure, I am not sure who you could ever close the door prior to 7 minutes.
Old 10-21-2014 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LowPhlyer
Just keep in mind that if you sign the release and hand it over early, the agent now has no reason to stick their head in the cockpit and trade you for the updated weather...what this really means is that they can shut the door without asking if you are ready. And they will. Ever have a last minute glitch and then have to call ops to get the agent, who has already sprinted to their next gate or the coffee machine, to come back...it is a goat rope! I would hope that the first Captains that get this directive, send it to the ALPA machine for clarification. That's what they are there for.

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Not only that, many times I've had them try to shut the door while the mechanics were still on board, and other times when the mx logbook was with the mechanics, outside the airplane!

This is just another attempt to "Rush" us off the gate, and it's stupid.
Old 10-21-2014 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
So, unless I am missing something, you don't know for sure whether you can get an esfr, or whether you need to "stay at the gate" until you get the 7 minute chime. Without changing the procedure, I am not sure who you could ever close the door prior to 7 minutes.
I've been on the jumpseat many times in MCO, when they've closed the door 10 minutes early and we were pushing back 5 minutes early...

That's fine...as long as you have everything you need.
Old 10-21-2014 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I've been on the jumpseat many times in MCO, when they've closed the door 10 minutes early and we were pushing back 5 minutes early...

That's fine...as long as you have everything you need.
Including all the people, non revs especially. If there is an empty seat there is no reason to close the door 10 min early.
Old 10-21-2014 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tim123
Would you do that with an FAA guy on board?
At Dl no, prior organization that was the proc. I don't do anything different with the FAA on board. Again if you don't have the fuel load, or it's incorrect you don't push and you keep everyone informed. We have a copy of the rel for verification, I'm sure none of us has pushed with the signed rel on board
Old 10-21-2014 | 07:03 AM
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Ok here's a link to the five year chart on the VIX best known as the volatility index. every time it spikes it crashes, even in a bear market. What I do is wait patiently for a spike, then start buying SVXY and puts in UVXY. The puts I buy are at least 2 months to expiration. I bought 200 shares of SVXY when the VIX spiked over 21 last week and kept buyin in 200 share increments and now hold 1200 shares, with the last 200 shares purchased yesterday at just over 55. I am now also holding 85 put contracts in UVXY which expire in DEC, JAN, and MAR. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^VIX#%7B%22range%22%3A%225y%22%2C%22scal e%22%3A%22linear%22%7D
Old 10-21-2014 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Ok here's a link to the five year chart on the VIX best known as the volatility index. every time it spikes it crashes, even in a bear market. What I do is wait patiently for a spike, then start buying SVXY and puts in UVXY. The puts I buy are at least 2 months to expiration. I bought 200 shares of SVXY when the VIX spiked over 21 last week and kept buyin in 200 share increments and now hold 1200 shares, with the last 200 shares purchased yesterday at just over 55. I am now also holding 85 put contracts in UVXY which expire in DEC, JAN, and MAR. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^VIX#%7B%22range%22%3A%225y%22%2C%22scal e%22%3A%22linear%22%7D
I don't even begin to understand any of that. I will stick with my dollar cost averaging of index funds and rebalance once a year.
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