Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Not quite true Sink,
I'm not a DPA supporter and never have been. I actively engage my reps and I know my contract better than most, however I didn't like his letter at all. In my opinion it really didn't say anything other than laying out a timeline and tooting the union horn from 07 until now. After reading the first paragraph my take away was that we are not going to ask for anything appropriate for the amount of money that Delta is currently making but want to just plod along like a work mule continuing to get some incremental gains. I truly hope that I'm wrong.
On the first day of 2015, the Delta pilots achieved their eighth consecutive annual pay increase. Let’s think about that for a moment: If you were hired in 2007 or later (over 2000 of our pilots), every New Year’s Day has come with a pay raise. Your hourly pay rates have grown through annual percentage increases, and from longevity and seat or equipment changes. To the degree we can control things, this is the type of career we must always strive for; continuous progression, increased pay, better work rules, solid benefits and better retirement while working for a successful company.
In my opinion this would be a memo sent out by management, not the leader of the union. I would have preferred something like:
The timing is finally right, and appropriate, for the company to recognize the significant sacrifices that the Delta pilot group endured in order to make this company the best in the industry.
Then go into this plan on how to make this contract the best we have seen including C2K.
Just my opinion
I'm not a DPA supporter and never have been. I actively engage my reps and I know my contract better than most, however I didn't like his letter at all. In my opinion it really didn't say anything other than laying out a timeline and tooting the union horn from 07 until now. After reading the first paragraph my take away was that we are not going to ask for anything appropriate for the amount of money that Delta is currently making but want to just plod along like a work mule continuing to get some incremental gains. I truly hope that I'm wrong.
On the first day of 2015, the Delta pilots achieved their eighth consecutive annual pay increase. Let’s think about that for a moment: If you were hired in 2007 or later (over 2000 of our pilots), every New Year’s Day has come with a pay raise. Your hourly pay rates have grown through annual percentage increases, and from longevity and seat or equipment changes. To the degree we can control things, this is the type of career we must always strive for; continuous progression, increased pay, better work rules, solid benefits and better retirement while working for a successful company.
In my opinion this would be a memo sent out by management, not the leader of the union. I would have preferred something like:
The timing is finally right, and appropriate, for the company to recognize the significant sacrifices that the Delta pilot group endured in order to make this company the best in the industry.
Then go into this plan on how to make this contract the best we have seen including C2K.
Just my opinion
Carl
Just a quick reminder to everyone:
As we're filling out our surveys, I thought it would be helpful to list where Delta pilots lead the industry. We all know our company leads the industry in financial performance and merger effectivity, but how often do we pilots lead? Here's the list from our contract comparison as to who leads in the specified areas:
1. Scope...............Southwest
2. Pay Rates:
-----B747/777.......Delta
-----B767-4/A330..United
-----B767-300.......UPS
-----B757.............UPS
-----B737-900.......Delta
-----A320.............United
-----MD88/717......Delta
-----Per Diem........American
3. Work Rules:
-----Monthly Guarantee...UPS
-----Reserve Guarantee...UPS
-----DPA/ADG................Southwest
4. Vacation:
-----Accrual..............United
-----Pay...................FedEx
5. Training Pay.........Alaska
6. Sick Leave............Hard to tell
7. Retirement Plans...FedEx
8. Medical................Southwest
9. Long Term Disab...UPS
Carl
1. Scope...............Southwest
2. Pay Rates:
-----B747/777.......Delta
-----B767-4/A330..United
-----B767-300.......UPS
-----B757.............UPS
-----B737-900.......Delta
-----A320.............United
-----MD88/717......Delta
-----Per Diem........American
3. Work Rules:
-----Monthly Guarantee...UPS
-----Reserve Guarantee...UPS
-----DPA/ADG................Southwest
4. Vacation:
-----Accrual..............United
-----Pay...................FedEx
5. Training Pay.........Alaska
6. Sick Leave............Hard to tell
7. Retirement Plans...FedEx
8. Medical................Southwest
9. Long Term Disab...UPS
Carl
Participation is elections is an issue. Apathy or contentment could be causes. I don't know.
The "Goldilocks" zone of effective communications is a moving target, and ALPA seems to lead or lag too often.
Since you didn't highlight my other comment, I'll assume you're trying to change the context of my message. Self-governance is tough, and VERY tough if you're leading leaders. That's a built in issue.
Bid what you want and then some.
You did it to yourself. You got what you bid. The one bid you asked for wasn't available and you didn't give the computer any other choices. So....it gave you your next choice which was....whatever the computer wants (probably the first available week starting from the top of the list of available weeks). Always put in backup choices.
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You did it to yourself. You got what you bid. The one bid you asked for wasn't available and you didn't give the computer any other choices. So....it gave you your next choice which was....whatever the computer wants (probably the first available week starting from the top of the list of available weeks). Always put in backup choices.
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Not quite true Sink,
I'm not a DPA supporter and never have been. I actively engage my reps and I know my contract better than most, however I didn't like his letter at all. In my opinion it really didn't say anything other than laying out a timeline and tooting the union horn from 07 until now. After reading the first paragraph my take away was that we are not going to ask for anything appropriate for the amount of money that Delta is currently making but want to just plod along like a work mule continuing to get some incremental gains. I truly hope that I'm wrong.
On the first day of 2015, the Delta pilots achieved their eighth consecutive annual pay increase. Let’s think about that for a moment: If you were hired in 2007 or later (over 2000 of our pilots), every New Year’s Day has come with a pay raise. Your hourly pay rates have grown through annual percentage increases, and from longevity and seat or equipment changes. To the degree we can control things, this is the type of career we must always strive for; continuous progression, increased pay, better work rules, solid benefits and better retirement while working for a successful company.
In my opinion this would be a memo sent out by management, not the leader of the union. I would have preferred something like:
The timing is finally right, and appropriate, for the company to recognize the significant sacrifices that the Delta pilot group endured in order to make this company the best in the industry.
Then go into this plan on how to make this contract the best we have seen including C2K.
Just my opinion
I'm not a DPA supporter and never have been. I actively engage my reps and I know my contract better than most, however I didn't like his letter at all. In my opinion it really didn't say anything other than laying out a timeline and tooting the union horn from 07 until now. After reading the first paragraph my take away was that we are not going to ask for anything appropriate for the amount of money that Delta is currently making but want to just plod along like a work mule continuing to get some incremental gains. I truly hope that I'm wrong.
On the first day of 2015, the Delta pilots achieved their eighth consecutive annual pay increase. Let’s think about that for a moment: If you were hired in 2007 or later (over 2000 of our pilots), every New Year’s Day has come with a pay raise. Your hourly pay rates have grown through annual percentage increases, and from longevity and seat or equipment changes. To the degree we can control things, this is the type of career we must always strive for; continuous progression, increased pay, better work rules, solid benefits and better retirement while working for a successful company.
In my opinion this would be a memo sent out by management, not the leader of the union. I would have preferred something like:
The timing is finally right, and appropriate, for the company to recognize the significant sacrifices that the Delta pilot group endured in order to make this company the best in the industry.
Then go into this plan on how to make this contract the best we have seen including C2K.
Just my opinion
As someone else mentioned, he ran the SPC. I think he has a sense for when to spool people up. This is a fairly factual, descriptive letter about where are in the process: input phase closing > direction phase next > openers will be crafted > get additional input to reps.
I'll expect him to write something more exciting when the openers are exchanged, or if the company fails to negotiate. Consider that the guy's job is to represent us (not to tell us what to think), and considering where we are in the process, the letter is certainly adequate.
Carl
It was a complete fail. See below for why.
This is why his letter was a failure. When he was first elected, I wrote here that his main job was to properly set up our one single weapon. The strike weapon. Proper set up requires preparing our families by telling them to prepare financially for possible paycheck interruption. As a former SPC, he knows that. You simply must do that unless you have absolutely no intention of using the strike option. Wait too long to prepare families, and the strike option is not an option. If a strike is not an option, you're specifically saying that you'll accept whatever management is willing to offer you. Just like any other non-union pilot group.
Now here we are actually approaching Section 6 opener exchange and not a single word about family preparation. The evidence is right there for everyone to see...Richard knew exactly what he was saying when he stated: "Labor risk at Delta has been taken completely off the table."
Already too late. Where we are right now is in the position of accepting whatever management offers. Any strike threat with unprepared families is just embarrassing bluster, and Ford & Harrison knows it.
Carl
This is why his letter was a failure. When he was first elected, I wrote here that his main job was to properly set up our one single weapon. The strike weapon. Proper set up requires preparing our families by telling them to prepare financially for possible paycheck interruption. As a former SPC, he knows that. You simply must do that unless you have absolutely no intention of using the strike option. Wait too long to prepare families, and the strike option is not an option. If a strike is not an option, you're specifically saying that you'll accept whatever management is willing to offer you. Just like any other non-union pilot group.
Now here we are actually approaching Section 6 opener exchange and not a single word about family preparation. The evidence is right there for everyone to see...Richard knew exactly what he was saying when he stated: "Labor risk at Delta has been taken completely off the table."
Already too late. Where we are right now is in the position of accepting whatever management offers. Any strike threat with unprepared families is just embarrassing bluster, and Ford & Harrison knows it.
Carl
So what would you pay them? You sit here and argue that as pilot we should be paid more, more more. But when it comes to our admin, you don't want them to be paid much huh?
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Posts: 5,113
This is why his letter was a failure. When he was first elected, I wrote here that his main job was to properly set up our one single weapon. The strike weapon. Proper set up requires preparing our families by telling them to prepare financially for possible paycheck interruption. As a former SPC, he knows that. You simply must do that unless you have absolutely no intention of using the strike option. Wait too long to prepare families, and the strike option is not an option. If a strike is not an option, you're specifically saying that you'll accept whatever management is willing to offer you. Just like any other non-union pilot group.
Now here we are actually approaching Section 6 opener exchange and not a single word about family preparation. The evidence is right there for everyone to see...Richard knew exactly what he was saying when he stated: "Labor risk at Delta has been taken completely off the table."
Already too late. Where we are right now is in the position of accepting whatever management offers. Any strike threat with unprepared families is just embarrassing bluster, and Ford & Harrison knows it.
Now here we are actually approaching Section 6 opener exchange and not a single word about family preparation. The evidence is right there for everyone to see...Richard knew exactly what he was saying when he stated: "Labor risk at Delta has been taken completely off the table."
Already too late. Where we are right now is in the position of accepting whatever management offers. Any strike threat with unprepared families is just embarrassing bluster, and Ford & Harrison knows it.
You think Donatelli has already failed us because he isn't using his letter for preparing families for a strike 11 months ahead of an amendable date, when both parties are voluntarily talking about reaching a deal early?
We've down this road before, and he showed pretty adept at stepping up strike preparedness at the correct time, and in the correct context. In the context of trying to find a mutually satisfactory deal, it would seem bizarre to talk about strikes. Perhaps once it becomes obvious we're not going to get to a deal, as we approach or reach mediation, then it would make sense.
Right now, the company is selling Wall Street the story of a beautiful relationship. I don't mind them selling that story, as long as they buy the rights. Let's allow our negotiators to explore a deal, not destroy the manuscript.
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