Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-23-2015, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Yeah, every email from them has to remind us of the raises we have already gotten, which stinks of low expectations for 2015.
They should tread carefully. Obviously the new hire FAs are signing union cards.
01-23-2015, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Talk is cheap. Who GAS what is said in a letter in the end?
Results matter:
over 53% increase in the pay charts in 7 years
Personal results, my income received from DAL has increased by over 100% in the last 7 years, even when adjusting out longevity steps (and I stayed in the same seat that whole time).
If we see another 53% over the following 7 years and my pay doubles again without changing categories, I don't really care if ALPA sends out letters with nothing but dancing banana emoticons.
Results matter:
over 53% increase in the pay charts in 7 years
Personal results, my income received from DAL has increased by over 100% in the last 7 years, even when adjusting out longevity steps (and I stayed in the same seat that whole time).
If we see another 53% over the following 7 years and my pay doubles again without changing categories, I don't really care if ALPA sends out letters with nothing but dancing banana emoticons.
01-23-2015, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
FYP! 
So what. Bankruptcy sucked, tell me something else new.
IMO, the more important portion is the 100% increase in actual income.... I always heard "a 50% paycut means you need 100% to make up for it.
I'm up 100%, and with as profitable is we are I can't wait to see how much more get can get.
Payrates are only one small piece of how our compensation is accrued, don't get caught with 3.B.2 myopia.
01-23-2015, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Talk is cheap. Who GAS what is said in a letter in the end?
Results matter:
over 53% increase in the pay charts in 7 years
Personal results, my income received from DAL has increased by over 100% in the last 7 years, even when adjusting out longevity steps (and I stayed in the same seat that whole time).
If we see another 53% over the following 7 years and my pay doubles again without changing categories, I don't really care if ALPA sends out letters with nothing but dancing banana emoticons.
Results matter:
over 53% increase in the pay charts in 7 years
Personal results, my income received from DAL has increased by over 100% in the last 7 years, even when adjusting out longevity steps (and I stayed in the same seat that whole time).
If we see another 53% over the following 7 years and my pay doubles again without changing categories, I don't really care if ALPA sends out letters with nothing but dancing banana emoticons.
When were you hired?
01-23-2015, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Not a fix, but an editorial.
So what. Bankruptcy sucked, tell me something else new.
IMO, the more important portion is the 100% increase in actual income.... I always heard "a 50% paycut means you need 100% to make up for it.
I'm up 100%, and with as profitable is we are I can't wait to see how much more get can get.
Payrates are only one small piece of how our compensation is accrued, don't get caught with 3.B.2 myopia.
So what. Bankruptcy sucked, tell me something else new.
IMO, the more important portion is the 100% increase in actual income.... I always heard "a 50% paycut means you need 100% to make up for it.
I'm up 100%, and with as profitable is we are I can't wait to see how much more get can get.
Payrates are only one small piece of how our compensation is accrued, don't get caught with 3.B.2 myopia.
01-23-2015, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Copy, you currently feel you are more than adequately compensated for your level of professionalism and responsibility, and the companies profitability bears no impact on you. You should vote for a negative raise and start working full time at ALPA if you are not already doing that.
I'm pulling well more than DOUBLE what I made 7 years ago, along with tons of QOL improvements... Wanting and working for yet another bevy of increases at that magnitude is not exactly "asking for a negative raise".
Thanks for your emotion, I like facts though.
01-23-2015, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
So how are you up 100%. Do you fly a lot of greenslips? I know that the rest of us haven't hit that mark at straight pay. I know a lot of guys that are so happy about their paychecks right now. Good for them. They fly extra days a month and their kids couldn't pick them out of a line up. That doesn't mean that we are back to making what we were over a decade ago, it just means there are opportunities to pick up extra cash if you so desire with the trade off of quality of life.
Many things really.
2012 939 hours of pay for 162 days of work
2014 1224 hours of pay for 169 days of work
Yes, I worked 7 more days in 2014 (they were optional obviously), but that can't account for 285 more hours!
01-23-2015, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
They target groups for yes votes just like last time. This message targeted at New hires.
They should tread carefully. Obviously the new hire FAs are signing union cards.
They should tread carefully. Obviously the new hire FAs are signing union cards.
IMO ALPA is losing friends fast.
01-23-2015, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I utilize the PWA. ADG, occasional GS, increased vac/trng, reroute rule improvements (and we still need a more fixes there), more DC (11% when I started, 15% now, increase in the PS payouts.
Many things really.
2012 939 hours of pay for 162 days of work
2014 1224 hours of pay for 169 days of work
Yes, I worked 7 more days in 2014 (they were optional obviously), but that can't account for 285 more hours!
Many things really.
2012 939 hours of pay for 162 days of work
2014 1224 hours of pay for 169 days of work
Yes, I worked 7 more days in 2014 (they were optional obviously), but that can't account for 285 more hours!
That is also who the Chairmans letter targeted:
On the first day of 2015, the Delta pilots achieved their eighth consecutive annual pay increase. Let’s think about that for a moment: If you were hired in 2007 or later (over 2000 of our pilots), every New Year’s Day has come with a pay raise. Your hourly pay rates have grown through annual percentage increases, and from longevity and seat or equipment changes.
Great what about the other 10,000 pilots on the list that are still crawling back after a furlough, bankruptcy, age 65 and a merger.
01-23-2015, 12:36 PM
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I don't have the extra vaca. yet. so it hasn't helped me. agreed that that part of the letter was aimed at my demographic.
I also pulled out the longevity raises regarding my increases and haven't moved up in fleets, so the letter doesn't hit me in that aspect.
I also pulled out the longevity raises regarding my increases and haven't moved up in fleets, so the letter doesn't hit me in that aspect.
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