Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-29-2015, 07:08 AM
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I think we should solve management's issues . After all they are only making over $6 billion this year. And paying debt to $3 billion THIS YEAR.
01-29-2015, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
I have been bidding reserve for over 4 years straight for QOL, I bid a line 1 to 2 times a year. A new month you can bid what you want, it doesn't look a the min day parameter. Just bid the 1st of the month off.
I like having my X days at the end of the month, so when I greenslip I get PB days in my bank. Then the next month you bid blocks of 3 days on call, put your PB days on the 2nd day on call, you are now only good for a day trip which usually gives you all 3 days off for 1 PB day. Great QOL tip
Denny, W. Shatner pics Pats on Sport Center. You need to change your pilotcentral pic.
I like having my X days at the end of the month, so when I greenslip I get PB days in my bank. Then the next month you bid blocks of 3 days on call, put your PB days on the 2nd day on call, you are now only good for a day trip which usually gives you all 3 days off for 1 PB day. Great QOL tip
Denny, W. Shatner pics Pats on Sport Center. You need to change your pilotcentral pic.
Denny
01-29-2015, 07:18 AM
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Herk,
Not sure how long you've been in the industry, but in the eyes of management anything you get is a legitimate concern. You cost too much during the good times and too much during the bad times. No matter how much/little you gain or give. Doesn't matter. I can promise you that if we were to get nothing on this contract(pay raises, work rules, etc), in the next downturn they would be coming after us for 15-20% with threats of ch11. Their playbook does not change. That is why it is so imperative that we get meaningful gains in compensation and give little to nothing during these times. The time will come soon enough for the next ch11 threats. Would you rather give 20% of much higher rates and better work rules, or get a higher rate now, while watering down some work rules to offset the higher rates today? I promise you that they will come for both.
Not sure how long you've been in the industry, but in the eyes of management anything you get is a legitimate concern. You cost too much during the good times and too much during the bad times. No matter how much/little you gain or give. Doesn't matter. I can promise you that if we were to get nothing on this contract(pay raises, work rules, etc), in the next downturn they would be coming after us for 15-20% with threats of ch11. Their playbook does not change. That is why it is so imperative that we get meaningful gains in compensation and give little to nothing during these times. The time will come soon enough for the next ch11 threats. Would you rather give 20% of much higher rates and better work rules, or get a higher rate now, while watering down some work rules to offset the higher rates today? I promise you that they will come for both.
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
As opposed to your world, in which the company never has legitimate concerns, and if you were actually tasked to come up with a real answer to a real issue, you would retreat to a huddled, muttering corner.
There was an ALPA article a few years ago called "The Dos and Don'ts of Negotiating." I felt that it was very well written. One of the "Do's" was "DO realize that negotiating is hard work" (or something similar).
I ask you and every other member of the "just say no" crowd: how could negotiating ever be hard work? All one has to do is draw up a dream sheet, barge into the CEOs office. slam it on the table, and say "let me know when you agree to everything, and we will be back to sign." It truly is that easy, isn't it....?
There was an ALPA article a few years ago called "The Dos and Don'ts of Negotiating." I felt that it was very well written. One of the "Do's" was "DO realize that negotiating is hard work" (or something similar).
I ask you and every other member of the "just say no" crowd: how could negotiating ever be hard work? All one has to do is draw up a dream sheet, barge into the CEOs office. slam it on the table, and say "let me know when you agree to everything, and we will be back to sign." It truly is that easy, isn't it....?
01-29-2015, 07:23 AM
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Would it be really weird if we let management determine their own list of wants, and if we then waited until then to discuss their actual wants, as opposed to speculating on what they might want?
01-29-2015, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by EdGrimley
Yes, thanks for the answers guys. FTB or someone good with spreadsheets, any way to create a document showing the fleet by aircraft category numbers anticipated for 2018? Also, assuming no more productivity gives, what the total pilot count should be by then?
I just saw exactly what you describe above. It was put out by the company in bar chart format. Had current and forecast, 2018 I think, fleet counts. It broke out domestic and international fleets.
I think it came out via company email that I accessed via the surface. I'm sure one of the smarter guys will point you to exactly where to find it.
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01-29-2015, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Would it be really weird if we let management determine their own list of wants, and if we then waited until then to discuss their actual wants, as opposed to speculating on what they might want?
01-29-2015, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Ed,
I just saw exactly what you describe above. It was put out by the company in bar chart format. Had current and forecast, 2018 I think, fleet counts. It broke out domestic and international fleets.
I think it came out via company email that I accessed via the surface. I'm sure one of the smarter guys will point you to exactly where to find it.
Scoop
I just saw exactly what you describe above. It was put out by the company in bar chart format. Had current and forecast, 2018 I think, fleet counts. It broke out domestic and international fleets.
I think it came out via company email that I accessed via the surface. I'm sure one of the smarter guys will point you to exactly where to find it.
Scoop
01-29-2015, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
BTW, can you really do the math to make our last contract cost neutral?
Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
Show me your math because I can't possibly do it without assuming the company saved a bazillion on the RJ refleeting and associated revenue improvements. And I'm pretty good with math.
Carl
01-29-2015, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Richard, Ed and Campbell did that. That's why they referred to our contract as "cost neutral" during investment interviews. They went further to state that the savings realized by the pilots contract would allow them to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups at Delta.
We could all do that if we had the costing sheets agreed to during negotiations. Management has them and so does DALPA. Neither one will release them. If they did release the costing sheets, we could all do the math and see why it is that our management calls our contract "cost neutral."
Carl
We could all do that if we had the costing sheets agreed to during negotiations. Management has them and so does DALPA. Neither one will release them. If they did release the costing sheets, we could all do the math and see why it is that our management calls our contract "cost neutral."
Carl
OK - so, what is the track record of your sources' reliability on the performance of the Oil Refinery and Fuel Hedging? How about capacity?
Everyone wants to know the future. Unfortunately, forward-looking statements are notoriously unreliable. There are also tremendous variables in how costing data is applied. If money were saved on aircraft maintenance and allocated to pilot pay, the net result could still (arguably) be "cost-neutral."
Originally Posted by Julie Sullivan-Greer, Managing Director, Investor Relations, Delta Air Lines
Today’s discussion contains forward-looking statements that represent our beliefs or expectations about future events. All forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Some of the factors that may cause such differences are described in Delta’s SEC filings. We’ll also discuss non-GAAP financial measures. All results exclude special items unless otherwise noted.
Read more: Delta Airlines' (DAL) CEO Richard Anderson on Q4 2014 Earnings Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Read more: Delta Airlines' (DAL) CEO Richard Anderson on Q4 2014 Earnings Results - Earnings Call Transcript
01-29-2015, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I'd love to hear a constructive idea in regards to the current discussion!
It goes a lot better when you add something meaningful instead of unadulterated douchebaggery.
It goes a lot better when you add something meaningful instead of unadulterated douchebaggery.
Now, having said that, I did like your last suggestion on sick leave, we gain some and the company gains a little. Whatever happens, we have to make sure it doesn't encourage anyone to fly while sick though.
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