Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-19-2015, 05:49 AM
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I agree. Our ALVs are way too high now. Most of the time you are unable to drop, and get denied by PBS if you try bidding MIN schedule. I don't want to work 80+ hours every month.
Originally Posted by The Cavalier
No offense but TLV relief is going to be more expensive than just scope given that the trend is already favoring mainline flying...and no I'm not advocating we ignore scope. I understand many among could careless about time off and would fly everyday if they could but work rules are just as important as other areas of the contract. The company consciously dragged its feet on adequate staffing and I'm tired of selling efficiencies on the cheap. There was a time when pilots had pay, scope, and work rules. I'm done trading 1 for 1 in this environment.
The TLV is already so high it's virtually ineffective. If I wanted to be worked like a mule I would have stayed at the regionals.
The TLV is already so high it's virtually ineffective. If I wanted to be worked like a mule I would have stayed at the regionals.
02-19-2015, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Careful now, you might be accused of being reasonable.
But I do like your line of thinking--we'll help out...if you help us out in return.
But I do like your line of thinking--we'll help out...if you help us out in return.
02-19-2015, 06:38 AM
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If our fine elected people in DC won't help us deal with the ME3, maybe ALPA-PAC could direct our dollars to ISIS to cause some problems in the UAE
Originally Posted by n9810f
If there was any doubt where old Northwest got its reputation for scorched earth.
02-19-2015, 06:42 AM
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Do we get a discount at the downtown NYC layover hotel named after a former President?
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02-19-2015, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Razorback one
Do we get a discount at the downtown NYC layover hotel named after a former President?
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02-19-2015, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
No offense but TLV relief is going to be more expensive than just scope given that the trend is already favoring mainline flying...and no I'm not advocating we ignore scope. I understand many among could careless about time off and would fly everyday if they could but work rules are just as important as other areas of the contract. The company consciously dragged its feet on adequate staffing and I'm tired of selling efficiencies on the cheap. There was a time when pilots had pay, scope, and work rules. I'm done trading 1 for 1 in this environment.
The TLV is already so high it's virtually ineffective. If I wanted to be worked like a mule I would have stayed at the regionals.
The TLV is already so high it's virtually ineffective. If I wanted to be worked like a mule I would have stayed at the regionals.
02-19-2015, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Sounds like those extra 717s are going to happen... most for flying, a few for parts. DCI is going into major shrinkage mode due to staffing issues with mainline looking for lots more planes. I'm liking this trend. 
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02-19-2015, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
I understand many among could careless about time off and would fly everyday if they could but work rules are just as important as other areas of the contract. The company consciously dragged its feet on adequate staffing and I'm tired of selling efficiencies on the cheap. There was a time when pilots had pay, scope, and work rules. I'm done trading 1 for 1 in this environment.
However, if there is some way we can make massive recoveries in return for a month or two of pain, I'd be willing to listen. Obviously, anything close to a 1 for 1 swap is unsat.
The company is going to come crying for help. DALPA is going to give up something. That's a given. I'm just thinking about what we need to get.
02-19-2015, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
The TLV is already so high it's virtually ineffective. If I wanted to be worked like a mule I would have stayed at the regionals.
02-19-2015, 10:19 AM
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Summary of the Special MEC meeting yesterday
OK, that's good to hear. But then he introduced the C15 version of expectation management, and is clearly setting the stage for another rushed deal. I see a lot of excuses in their infancy, but certainly not the steely leadership we ought to be seeing in this negotiating environment.
He then offered his ten points on negotiations and strategy:
1. Estote Parati. Timing is everything, so be ready for everything.
2. Keep an eye on the calendar – next year is an election year.
3. Preserve the credibility created by the survey, and preserve the trust of the pilots.
4. Education is everything. The best leadership in the world can’t do anything with an uninformed membership.
5. Commit to consensus. The agreement might not be everything you want, but is it still a good agreement?
6. Root out misperceptions of collective bargaining and the RLA process.
7. Develop the ability to say YES; a tentative agreement is not proof that a better offer is available.
8. The chain of command is much shorter on the management side of the table. Don’t send anyone to the table who isn’t empowered to make decisions. To make an offer, management must first be confident that the union will ratify it.
9. Social media (including anti-social media) is a fact of life; make it a part of the plan, and a component to success.
10. Smaller lists produce faster results; don’t hang so many ornaments on the Christmas tree that you can’t get it out the door.
A question and answer period followed the Chairman’s remarks.
Standing by for "C15: Estori Parati!" bag tags.
The Delta MEC anticipates filing a grievance against the Company for non-compliance of PWA Section 1.P: Delta / Air France / KLM / Alitalia Joint Venture on April 1, 2015. The measurement period ends on March 31, 2015, at which time the compliance calculation occurs. He expanded on this statement, saying that the timing and content of our opener has nothing to do with the grievance; that issue is the sole responsibility of the MEC.
He then offered his ten points on negotiations and strategy:
1. Estote Parati. Timing is everything, so be ready for everything.
2. Keep an eye on the calendar – next year is an election year.
3. Preserve the credibility created by the survey, and preserve the trust of the pilots.
4. Education is everything. The best leadership in the world can’t do anything with an uninformed membership.
5. Commit to consensus. The agreement might not be everything you want, but is it still a good agreement?
6. Root out misperceptions of collective bargaining and the RLA process.
7. Develop the ability to say YES; a tentative agreement is not proof that a better offer is available.
8. The chain of command is much shorter on the management side of the table. Don’t send anyone to the table who isn’t empowered to make decisions. To make an offer, management must first be confident that the union will ratify it.
9. Social media (including anti-social media) is a fact of life; make it a part of the plan, and a component to success.
10. Smaller lists produce faster results; don’t hang so many ornaments on the Christmas tree that you can’t get it out the door.
A question and answer period followed the Chairman’s remarks.
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