Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-27-2015 | 02:09 PM
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What you post is true, but......
In the annual instructors meeting this week where Richard spoke, he said that he has:
"No problem with Delta pilots being the most highly compensated major airline pilots" as a group.
Yay!
Now, here is the other side of the coin.
He then made it CLEAR that even with Americans recent raise, we are currently more that 10% ahead of them in COMPENSATION.
Ahhhhh. Guess it's obvious where their opening position is.
PS + Pay rates + benefits = compensation. They are going to look at the whole number, not line item improvements.
Food for thought. If you go to the bank, and apply for a loan on a toy or a bigger house, etc, do they count profit sharing into their loan equations?
Yeah, pretty easy argument to win on.
We are one Putin tantrum away from conceivably watching our profit sharing evaporate. The banks know it. ALPA knows it. We should know it. The company knows it. But adopting that bargaining position has been assured because it's the most advantageous one they can try to defend to minimize our gains and their losses cause that's what this is all about.
They aren't benevolent. They never will be. They are about doing whats good for the corporation. It's their job.
Now, the ball is in ALPAs court. The company is going to make their job difficult and try to make them purchase every gain through a give back in work rules, PS, benefits, etc..
Hence, the trial balloons that have been floating around.
Hate to see those as it signals that they are not confident enough in their ability to secure outright gains.
JMO opinion. Of course, others will vary.
In the annual instructors meeting this week where Richard spoke, he said that he has:
"No problem with Delta pilots being the most highly compensated major airline pilots" as a group.
Yay!
Now, here is the other side of the coin.
He then made it CLEAR that even with Americans recent raise, we are currently more that 10% ahead of them in COMPENSATION.
Ahhhhh. Guess it's obvious where their opening position is.
PS + Pay rates + benefits = compensation. They are going to look at the whole number, not line item improvements.
Food for thought. If you go to the bank, and apply for a loan on a toy or a bigger house, etc, do they count profit sharing into their loan equations?
Yeah, pretty easy argument to win on.
We are one Putin tantrum away from conceivably watching our profit sharing evaporate. The banks know it. ALPA knows it. We should know it. The company knows it. But adopting that bargaining position has been assured because it's the most advantageous one they can try to defend to minimize our gains and their losses cause that's what this is all about.
They aren't benevolent. They never will be. They are about doing whats good for the corporation. It's their job.
Now, the ball is in ALPAs court. The company is going to make their job difficult and try to make them purchase every gain through a give back in work rules, PS, benefits, etc..
Hence, the trial balloons that have been floating around.
Hate to see those as it signals that they are not confident enough in their ability to secure outright gains.
JMO opinion. Of course, others will vary.
02-27-2015 | 02:10 PM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
What you post is true, but......
In the annual instructors meeting this week where Richard spoke, he said that he has:
"No problem with Delta pilots being the most highly compensated major airline pilots" as a group.
Yay!
Now, here is the other side of the coin.
He then made it CLEAR that even with Americans recent raise, we are currently more that 10% ahead of them in COMPENSATION.
Ahhhhh. Guess it's obvious where their opening position is.
PS + Pay rates + benefits = compensation. They are going to look at the whole number, not line item improvements.
Food for thought. If you go to the bank, and apply for a loan on a toy or a bigger house, etc, do they count profit sharing into their loan equations?
Yeah, pretty easy argument to win on.
We are one Putin tantrum away from conceivably watching our profit sharing evaporate. The banks know it. ALPA knows it. We should know it. The company knows it. But adopting that bargaining position has been assured because it's the most advantageous one they can try to defend to minimize our gains and their losses cause that's what this is all about.
They aren't benevolent. They never will be. They are about doing whats good for the corporation. It's their job.
Now, the ball is in ALPAs court. The company is going to make their job difficult and try to make them purchase every gain through a give back in work rules, PS, benefits, etc..
Hence, the trial balloons that have been floating around.
Hate to see those as it signals that they are not confident enough in their ability to secure outright gains.
JMO opinion. Of course, others will vary.
In the annual instructors meeting this week where Richard spoke, he said that he has:
"No problem with Delta pilots being the most highly compensated major airline pilots" as a group.
Yay!
Now, here is the other side of the coin.
He then made it CLEAR that even with Americans recent raise, we are currently more that 10% ahead of them in COMPENSATION.
Ahhhhh. Guess it's obvious where their opening position is.
PS + Pay rates + benefits = compensation. They are going to look at the whole number, not line item improvements.
Food for thought. If you go to the bank, and apply for a loan on a toy or a bigger house, etc, do they count profit sharing into their loan equations?
Yeah, pretty easy argument to win on.
We are one Putin tantrum away from conceivably watching our profit sharing evaporate. The banks know it. ALPA knows it. We should know it. The company knows it. But adopting that bargaining position has been assured because it's the most advantageous one they can try to defend to minimize our gains and their losses cause that's what this is all about.
They aren't benevolent. They never will be. They are about doing whats good for the corporation. It's their job.
Now, the ball is in ALPAs court. The company is going to make their job difficult and try to make them purchase every gain through a give back in work rules, PS, benefits, etc..
Hence, the trial balloons that have been floating around.
Hate to see those as it signals that they are not confident enough in their ability to secure outright gains.
JMO opinion. Of course, others will vary.
I would have mentioned our lost RETIREMENT PLAN, which American Pilots STILL HAVE!
Add in a $3 Million retirement plan for every senior AA 777 Captain, (and they have many more 777's than we do!) to the rates made by the senior AA pilots, then let's compare that Total Compensation to the Delta Pilots with the same years of service, who lost their entire DB plan!
I hope SOMEBODY reminded Richard that we are still 18% BEHIND our 2004 pay rates, and have NO DB PLAN! The 16% profit sharing check we just got was nice, but that's still 2% short of 2004 pay rates, let alone the Retirement Plan!
02-27-2015 | 02:15 PM
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From: Road construction signholder
All the good deals from the past(which are too many to name) have been axed by ALPA in contracts. I think at this point everyone knows ALPA gives mgmt. what they want, and I don't see that changing on the next contract. Also, look for sick leave to be cut way back or ALPA agreeing to a change of paying for unused sick time. Paying for unused sick time is a big mistake because it will just encourage guys to fly sick. The last thing I want is to come to work and be stuck in the cockpit with someone who is sick.
All the good deals from the past(which are too many to name) have been axed by ALPA in contracts. I think at this point everyone knows ALPA gives mgmt. what they want, and I don't see that changing on the next contract.
1. No calendar day average. A trip that now pays a reserve 10.30 paid only four hours. A trip with a DH-only duty period that pays 10.30--every time--would only pay a regular lineholder 7.15. The UIO 3-day trip that now pays 15.45 used to pay 10.50.
2. Reserve rules sucked hind tit. Wayyy back (80s time frame) reserve was perpetual 24/7 short call, for all the days you were on call. Ah...the good ol' days. I think nyet
3. No bidding for CQ. Crew scheduling, and not you and your seniority, determined when you went to CQ. Super senior and you hate early A period sims? Tough luck. The CQ planner put you there anyway and there isn't anything you can do about it.
4. No vacation slide.
5. No positive space for deviating from DH, on either end. You had to jumpseat or nonrev.
6. Commute to ATL and now you are going to a long school? Guess what? No hotel for you! Enjoy the crash pad life again. Oh, and make sure you also book your jumpseat, because there is no positive space to and from training "at your base."
The list goes on. "Good ol' days?" You can have them. I'll take the "good new days" thank you very much.
Also, look for sick leave to be cut way back
...or ALPA agreeing to a change of paying for unused sick time. Paying for unused sick time is a big mistake because it will just encourage guys to fly sick. The last thing I want is to come to work and be stuck in the cockpit with someone who is sick.
02-27-2015 | 02:33 PM
Otto
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From: Turkish Pile Driver
Mike-
The way you phrased your question it sounds like you might not be aware that ALL standing preferences are deleted from the system every time you receive an award.
Be aware of that.
But also-
There ARE certain circumstances where a pilot would include his current category in his list of preferences. That's PhD level bidding though. I would not advise a new hire to do that until you are very confident that you are very familiar with the percentage system and all the bidding strategies available using the percentage qualifiers.
Finally-
Most guys will tell you that the iCrew capability to view pilots with preferences for certain categories can be very misleading and is almost useless. There are many reasons for that. ie=> It doesn't factor in the percentage qualifiers or whether a pilot has throwaway bids in the system as his first three choices, etc. etc. etc.
Bid what you want and want what you bid. You will only end up screwing yourself if you try to bid based on the numbers from that page in iCrew.
The way you phrased your question it sounds like you might not be aware that ALL standing preferences are deleted from the system every time you receive an award.
Be aware of that.
But also-
There ARE certain circumstances where a pilot would include his current category in his list of preferences. That's PhD level bidding though. I would not advise a new hire to do that until you are very confident that you are very familiar with the percentage system and all the bidding strategies available using the percentage qualifiers.
Finally-
Most guys will tell you that the iCrew capability to view pilots with preferences for certain categories can be very misleading and is almost useless. There are many reasons for that. ie=> It doesn't factor in the percentage qualifiers or whether a pilot has throwaway bids in the system as his first three choices, etc. etc. etc.
Bid what you want and want what you bid. You will only end up screwing yourself if you try to bid based on the numbers from that page in iCrew.
02-27-2015 | 02:43 PM
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02-27-2015 | 02:58 PM
Otto
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From: Turkish Pile Driver
I can't remember and couldn't find it in the scheduling reference handbook (which I think tells me something but I'd like to verify). Do you get PB days if you YS on an XX day?
02-27-2015 | 03:02 PM
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From: DAL FO
YS'ing on XX days is generally equivalent to working for free. An exception would be if you were going to exceed guarantee for the month.
Also, under previous RSV rules, guys would sometimes try to "fill up" before the end of the month (think Xmas or thanksgiving) by YSing on XX days. This is very difficult to do now with ALV+15 and the bucket system.
02-27-2015 | 03:16 PM
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Putin tantrum
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02-27-2015 | 03:21 PM
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02-27-2015 | 03:34 PM
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