Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-27-2015, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
They don't even release you until the night before the trip starts. On my category, at best you might get a WS.
If they got rid of PB days for reserve pilots... thats crap too.
Both of those are the suckiest sucky ideas that ever sucked.
fwiw I'm in top 3rd of my category and even from here I can't hold LCA.
If they got rid of PB days for reserve pilots... thats crap too.
Both of those are the suckiest sucky ideas that ever sucked.
fwiw I'm in top 3rd of my category and even from here I can't hold LCA.
02-27-2015, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
All the good deals from the past(which are too many to name) have been axed by ALPA in contracts. I think at this point everyone knows ALPA gives mgmt. what they want, and I don't see that changing on the next contract. Also, look for sick leave to be cut way back or ALPA agreeing to a change of paying for unused sick time.
ALPA is aware of what will happen if they give up a bunch of concessions and hand us another lousy 4.8.3.3. deal when the corporation is making this level of profits.
That would be the last ALPA contract on this property.
They will get us a good contract this time. All the stars are aligned.
02-27-2015, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I've been doing this for a few months now and it is a good deal. There are a few LCA that you can tell it rubs the wrong way. For the life of me I can't quite figure that out. We have only had no recovery since the JCBA, before that we had recovery obligations which sucked. I'm sure they will try and change it. I've also heard they want to do away with PB days for GS's on reserve. 
The company has come after PB days several times and ALPA has stood firm. Although it may look good on paper, I think the amount of reserves volunteering for a GS would drop dramatically. (Remember 150% GS?)
02-27-2015, 01:06 PM
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First off....WHY would a LCA give a rat's rear end about who bids with them, or who get's more $$$ than them?
They're earning more than me with their override, and I still have to fly with the new guy when they're done with them!
I seriously doubt RA has a clue about what pilots are earning, and probably doesn't care as long as the schedule gets flown!
It would take HUNDREDS more pilots for them to banish green slips and then they'd have all these reserve guys sitting around unproductive, and the cycle would begin again!
Unless there's a mouse in the head shed, these stupid rumors that float by are just that, rumors! Why not wait until someone leaks their opener, THEN you can all get po'd! It's not worth the headache yet!
Now, how about some Friday underboob?!?!
They're earning more than me with their override, and I still have to fly with the new guy when they're done with them!
I seriously doubt RA has a clue about what pilots are earning, and probably doesn't care as long as the schedule gets flown!
It would take HUNDREDS more pilots for them to banish green slips and then they'd have all these reserve guys sitting around unproductive, and the cycle would begin again!
Unless there's a mouse in the head shed, these stupid rumors that float by are just that, rumors! Why not wait until someone leaks their opener, THEN you can all get po'd! It's not worth the headache yet!
Now, how about some Friday underboob?!?!
02-27-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull
First off....WHY would a LCA give a rat's rear end about who bids with them, or who get's more $$$ than them?
They're earning more than me with their override, and I still have to fly with the new guy when they're done with them!
I seriously doubt RA has a clue about what pilots are earning, and probably doesn't care as long as the schedule gets flown!
It would take HUNDREDS more pilots for them to banish green slips and then they'd have all these reserve guys sitting around unproductive, and the cycle would begin again!
Unless there's a mouse in the head shed, these stupid rumors that float by are just that, rumors! Why not wait until someone leaks their opener, THEN you can all get po'd! It's not worth the headache yet!
Now, how about some Friday underboob?!?!
They're earning more than me with their override, and I still have to fly with the new guy when they're done with them!
I seriously doubt RA has a clue about what pilots are earning, and probably doesn't care as long as the schedule gets flown!
It would take HUNDREDS more pilots for them to banish green slips and then they'd have all these reserve guys sitting around unproductive, and the cycle would begin again!
Unless there's a mouse in the head shed, these stupid rumors that float by are just that, rumors! Why not wait until someone leaks their opener, THEN you can all get po'd! It's not worth the headache yet!
Now, how about some Friday underboob?!?!
Kind of like take good deals away from the FA and then give it back and call it benevolence.
it's a win win for everyone but the pilots.
Hopefully that's not the case.
02-27-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Mike-
The way you phrased your question it sounds like you might not be aware that ALL standing preferences are deleted from the system every time you receive an award.
Be aware of that.
But also-
There ARE certain circumstances where a pilot would include his current category in his list of preferences. That's PhD level bidding though. I would not advise a new hire to do that until you are very confident that you are very familiar with the percentage system and all the bidding strategies available using the percentage qualifiers.
Finally-
Most guys will tell you that the iCrew capability to view pilots with preferences for certain categories can be very misleading and is almost useless. There are many reasons for that. ie=> It doesn't factor in the percentage qualifiers or whether a pilot has throwaway bids in the system as his first three choices, etc. etc. etc.
Bid what you want and want what you bid. You will only end up screwing yourself if you try to bid based on the numbers from that page in iCrew.
The way you phrased your question it sounds like you might not be aware that ALL standing preferences are deleted from the system every time you receive an award.
Be aware of that.
But also-
There ARE certain circumstances where a pilot would include his current category in his list of preferences. That's PhD level bidding though. I would not advise a new hire to do that until you are very confident that you are very familiar with the percentage system and all the bidding strategies available using the percentage qualifiers.
Finally-
Most guys will tell you that the iCrew capability to view pilots with preferences for certain categories can be very misleading and is almost useless. There are many reasons for that. ie=> It doesn't factor in the percentage qualifiers or whether a pilot has throwaway bids in the system as his first three choices, etc. etc. etc.
Bid what you want and want what you bid. You will only end up screwing yourself if you try to bid based on the numbers from that page in iCrew.
02-27-2015, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The 777 LAX base isn't the greatest of news though because it sounds like its reallocation and not growth. Couple that with a very significant reduction in block hours from the vanishing DH's and that's a lot of time (and some jobs) taken out of the system. There's probably some existing 777 pilots that live in SoCal and get paid to commute, or better: paid to commute while staying at home. A lot of that is going away with this mini base if/when it happens.
I guess it was inevitable though, and hopefully the churn created with more new categories makes up for the loss of block hours, at least for a little while.
I guess it was inevitable though, and hopefully the churn created with more new categories makes up for the loss of block hours, at least for a little while.
In fact, I see shrinkage at the top, due to the loss of 16 of our highest paying airframes.
My point was, the guys in LAX will love it if it happens (777 LAX base) because it will create some upward movement in that base. I doubt if the guys in DTW and ATL will love it, once the 747 displacements start to push the junior 777 guys off the bottom, and if they do open a 777 base in LA, that time will most likely come from the DTW 777 category, adding even more downward pressure to DTW wide body pilots.
You know what they say; sheet rolls downhill...so look out below when DTW loses both the 747 and some 777 time.
02-27-2015, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
All the good deals from the past(which are too many to name) have been axed by ALPA in contracts. I think at this point everyone knows ALPA gives mgmt. what they want, and I don't see that changing on the next contract. Also, look for sick leave to be cut way back or ALPA agreeing to a change of paying for unused sick time. Paying for unused sick time is a big mistake because it will just encourage guys to fly sick. The last thing I want is to come to work and be stuck in the cockpit with someone who is sick.
02-27-2015, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
They don't even release you until the night before the trip starts. On my category, at best you might get a WS.
If they got rid of PB days for reserve pilots... thats crap too.
Both of those are the suckiest sucky ideas that ever sucked.
fwiw I'm in top 3rd of my category and even from here I can't hold LCA.
If they got rid of PB days for reserve pilots... thats crap too.
Both of those are the suckiest sucky ideas that ever sucked.
fwiw I'm in top 3rd of my category and even from here I can't hold LCA.
I get LCA trips on the weekends. Last 2 months I've got all trips with LCA. About 25% of them trade the trip so you end up flying it. There is another 25% that don't get scheduled for OE. So you end up getting about 50% of the trips dropped. GS's are rare so you end up just getting the days off or WS'ing a trip. Still a good deal, but there are not many that are doing what that guy in NYC is doing.
02-27-2015, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
I don't think so. Not this time.
ALPA is aware of what will happen if they give up a bunch of concessions and hand us another lousy 4.8.3.3. deal when the corporation is making this level of profits.
That would be the last ALPA contract on this property.
They will get us a good contract this time. All the stars are aligned.
ALPA is aware of what will happen if they give up a bunch of concessions and hand us another lousy 4.8.3.3. deal when the corporation is making this level of profits.
That would be the last ALPA contract on this property.
They will get us a good contract this time. All the stars are aligned.
In the annual instructors meeting this week where Richard spoke, he said that he has:
"No problem with Delta pilots being the most highly compensated major airline pilots" as a group.
Yay!
Now, here is the other side of the coin.
He then made it CLEAR that even with Americans recent raise, we are currently more that 10% ahead of them in COMPENSATION.
Ahhhhh. Guess it's obvious where their opening position is.
PS + Pay rates + benefits = compensation. They are going to look at the whole number, not line item improvements.
Food for thought. If you go to the bank, and apply for a loan on a toy or a bigger house, etc, do they count profit sharing into their loan equations?
Yeah, pretty easy argument to win on.
We are one Putin tantrum away from conceivably watching our profit sharing evaporate. The banks know it. ALPA knows it. We should know it. The company knows it. But adopting that bargaining position has been assured because it's the most advantageous one they can try to defend to minimize our gains and their losses cause that's what this is all about.
They aren't benevolent. They never will be. They are about doing whats good for the corporation. It's their job.
Now, the ball is in ALPAs court. The company is going to make their job difficult and try to make them purchase every gain through a give back in work rules, PS, benefits, etc..
Hence, the trial balloons that have been floating around.
Hate to see those as it signals that they are not confident enough in their ability to secure outright gains.
JMO opinion. Of course, others will vary.
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