I am not the one making any allegations of malfeasance here Einstein. I have nothing to prove in this argument.

 

Whether they looked at it or not, the point is that they did NOT follow it. I know, prove it. The only way I can do that is tell anyone to look at the TA then ask themselves what their survey input was. Does this TA reflect that input? Mine certainly doesn't jive with this TA. Did yours?

Denny

 

Now at least somebody is being honest about this. Look, I am not defending this thing, but this blanket BS about it not being followed is simply unprovable as the whole. It is merely a starting point, and I am sure they tried to get as much as they could. One of the former negotiators told me once that I would have been amazed to see how low the aggregate pay increase desires were in the previous surveys. Can I prove that? Nope. I know what he told me, and that's good enough for me, because I have known him a long time and he wouldn't lie to me about that. I didn't want PS touched on THIS contract, in section 6. It obviously doesn't reflect that desire. That doesn't mean there aren't 6000 guys that didn't put down they were willing to accept a trade to hard rates. I even get the logic of it, I just happen to believe that the business "DAL" is going to be doing well for some time to come, and that PS was going to be "safe" for at least this contract. So just because it doesn't reflect your desires or my desires doesn't mean it wasn't followed or that some hard decisions weren't made in the negotiations room. So all you guys that are so unhappy with this thing, vote no. That's fine. I am probably leaning that way, but I still need more information on some things.

 

98% of over 1400 Delta pilots in DPAs open survey said to keep or increase profit sharing.

Now you, the captain of the sell out team, want us to believe a majority of the pilots in the DALPA survey wanted a reduction in profit sharing.

A severe reduction.

You and your buddies are the enemy of our profession.

No mas.

 

I don't GAS what the DPA survey says. It is an unscientific poll with zero validity.

I am not selling anything Jerry. I am not defending anything. I am leaving the hyperbolic hysteria at home on this thing right now and weighing the facts as I learn them. At this point they are very few. Rush right on out to your boy and give him some more money, maybe he can come up with some more Chinese abortion analogies to rally the troops. That kind of "leadership" certainly made an impression on me as to who I want representing me.

 

All I have seen from Alpa is pay, I would like to see there pros and cons.

 

Go read the TA. All the changes are highlighted in red. It's on the Delta MEC homepage under C2015 tab.

 

Don't plan on seeing any cons from DALPA. The only thing they can really highlight is compensation (which we are partially funding). It will be difficult for them to spin any of the rest of this in to anything positive so the vast majority of what we will see is compensation compared to other carriers.

Many of the onerous QOL nuggets buried in here will be long lasting negatives. I hope new hires and F/Os especially look past the promise of money and shiny new replacement aircraft because they ill have to live with the results a loooong time if this thing gets passed.

 

Are you saying a majority of Delta pilots wanted to reduced profit sharing in the DALPA contract survey?

You don't need a survey to make severe concessions in exchange for on 8% hourly increase and two 3%.cost of living increases.

Maybe Mike Hanson will say we won't see the 3% and 3%. We can trust him.

 

Idk, if this fails it's going to be close.

Two different quotes from the line texted to me:

1. I'm not going to wait around for more money.

2. The oe thing is fine, it's reasonable to take trips away because if the staffing issues they're going to have in the coming years. (This of course after complaining how bad the oe recovery system was).