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Old 04-19-2015 | 07:20 PM
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Let me guess... game of thrones?

I only watch Disney Jr.



But go Scotland? Is she Scottish or Irish? Wait. Go Scots-Irish! Keep it in the family... wait... no... didn't mean it that way.


Speaking of that. Princess Leia was airport hot, if she brought you beer to your craft...

Old 04-20-2015 | 03:21 AM
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So to sum up the last 5 pages: we want commutable, good trips, with a cap/bow wave, with C2K payrates (if only on parity with a doctor's salary), with weekends off, and maybe some sort of bonus to buy a boat or an airplane to keep us above the middle-class scum.
Old 04-20-2015 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
So to sum up the last 5 pages: we want commutable, good trips, with a cap/bow wave, with C2K payrates (if only on parity with a doctor's salary), with weekends off, and maybe some sort of bonus to buy a boat or an airplane to keep us above the middle-class scum.
Old 04-20-2015 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Um, no. I think you posted some equally inflammatory nonsense awhile back. Not sure why you repeat this stuff or what kind of fantasy world you think docs live in.

I can imagine at the Aetna headquarters. "Oh, Dr. Cardiomd has a 99.99999% success rate, while other doctors have a 90% success rate. Let's pay reimbursement rates that are 4 times the standard average.. just because... he's incredible." Yeah, that happens a lot.

Typical "quality" bonuses for low complications, readmissions etc. are typically 1 to 5% of salary.

Here is a nice article to reframe your thinking:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/su...-big-cost.html
I don't know how you perceived any slight being made in my post. I am all for professionals being paid what they deserve, and I see little basis for comparing our respective professions anyway. You're helping make the point.

I'm not familiar with insurance reimbursement rates, and frankly I don't really want to debate them on an airline pilot forum. I'll stipulate to the fact that insurances companies are a gigantic pain, and suppress wages. But I live in a very affluent area, and many providers can afford to be selective about what insurance they accept. Let's just say that if there was an oncologist, or a cardiologist, or even a GP that only lost 1 patient in 100,000,000 he wouldn't need to have any sort of a relationship with Aetna, or UHC, or BCBS. He'd set his wages. In certain specialties, people would probably pay directly, and pay a lot, for an 80%, or 90%, or 99% chance of being cured, depending on the problem and prognosis. Fair enough?

But if that example hits too close to home, set it aside completely. I'm not arguing we should compare uourselves to you, but that we shouldn't. As an alternative way of viewing my previous post, imagine an attorney that consistently won 90% of cases. Imagine what that would pay. Or not. If that example isn't suitable, ignore it as well. Comparisons across professions don't work all that well, do they?

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Old 04-20-2015 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
So to sum up the last 5 pages: we want commutable, good trips, with a cap/bow wave, with C2K payrates (if only on parity with a doctor's salary), with weekends off, and maybe some sort of bonus to buy a boat or an airplane to keep us above the middle-class scum.
And for god's sake, above cardiologists
Old 04-20-2015 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
No clue what the average is.

I have one neighbor who is a Dentist. Works Mon-Thur 8-4. Makes about 250K.

I have another neighbor who is a orthopedic surgeon. Works about 5 days a week and some long hours. Makes 450K.

I'm comparing myself to people I actually know in those professions and what they make.....not what Google will tell you.
We have Delta pilots who will break 500k this year. That does not make it the norm. You have to compare averages. We're about the same as Doctors and well above lawyers and Dentists.
Old 04-20-2015 | 04:00 AM
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Do those Google stats include doctors and lawyers who work for free?

Those selfish bastards. Bringing down the median salaries.
Old 04-20-2015 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We have Delta pilots who will break 500k this year. That does not make it the norm. You have to compare averages. We're about the same as Doctors and well above lawyers and Dentists.
are those doctors and Lawyers we are being compared to the young ones just getting started? If so we need to add regional pilot pay to the numbers.

Cardiac and thoracic surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, noninvasive and invasive cardiologists, urologists, gastroenterologists, ophthalmologists and many others all had pay figures above $350,000 and as high as $532,000 (cardiac and thoracic surgeons).1 Neurosurgeons are also among the highest-paid physicians, as their compensation routinely tops $700,000, depending on the employment setting.

It's no surprise the lowest-paid physician specialties are all branches of primary care, as has been the trend for many years. Family medicine physicians, internists, pediatricians and hospitalists had some of the lowest median salaries.4 Family medicine physicians had the lowest overall compensation at a tick over $208,000, a 1 percent decrease from 2010.
id say on average we are probably close to but below a family doctor.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
are those doctors and Lawyers we are being compared to the young ones just getting started? If so we need to add regional pilot pay to the numbers.



id say on average we are probably close to but below a family doctor.
The original post was a statement about a Delta pilot and just getting close to those professions in pay. The reality is that we are well above 2 of the 3 listed and equal to the third.
Old 04-20-2015 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
So to sum up the last 5 pages: we want commutable, good trips, with a cap/bow wave, with C2K payrates (if only on parity with a doctor's salary), with weekends off, and maybe some sort of bonus to buy a boat or an airplane to keep us above the middle-class scum.
if we are to stay above middle class scum we need a ps that gets a boat and a plane, not OR one or the other. Both.

Don't be managing our expectations.
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