Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-20-2015 | 09:06 AM
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The doctors and attorneys that make big bucks are in business for themselves. The only way to make lots of money is to own your own business, and be successful, which, is very hard to do. As far as being an someone's employee, airline pilot is the top job.
Another thing, the government allows doctors to set up an "illegal in all other industries pricing model", no way to compete with that.
Another thing, the government allows doctors to set up an "illegal in all other industries pricing model", no way to compete with that.
Imho nothing compares to aviation, it's the only industry I know where you fly airplanes for hire. We offer time. The machines are extremely expensive and easily broken. at one moment in time we frankly have the future of the company in our hands not too mention dozens and dozens sometimes hundreds and hundreds of lives in our hands.
I mean yeah sometimes they're just middle class scum, but, they're alive.
We frankly just have to set our own rates regardless of what other industry and competitors are doing.
Orthodontist are the guys who come out the winners btw.
04-20-2015 | 09:15 AM
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My next door neighbor is a physician who does nothing but circumcisions. Last year he made $400,000 in tips alone!
04-20-2015 | 09:32 AM
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A few things!
1. I gave OE to a 330 CA who was also a Dentist. He would bid Africa trips and do Pro Bono dental work there.
2. This thread is 8 years old today!
3. Always remember, Doctors bury their mistakes, Pilots get buried with their mistakes,
Back to washing my cars!
1. I gave OE to a 330 CA who was also a Dentist. He would bid Africa trips and do Pro Bono dental work there.
2. This thread is 8 years old today!
3. Always remember, Doctors bury their mistakes, Pilots get buried with their mistakes,
Back to washing my cars!
04-20-2015 | 09:37 AM
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I pretty much have the same issue. The bottom line is that "life" often gets in the way of GS's.
On the positive side "Karma" seems to even things out. Twice I passed on a 4 day GS to fulfill social plans, both times I scored a juicy "greenie" later in the month.
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04-20-2015 | 09:40 AM
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The part time doc/lawyer thing can really skew the average. Not only does it drag the annual average compensation down, but the motivations of those working part time affect the support level for compensation.
It's really no different than a guy who made a bundle in whatever going out and flying 135 "for nothing" just to fly. Makes life harder for the rest who are trying to make a go of it for a living.
Not saying anything about that being right or wrong, but the numbers will change because of it.
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It's really no different than a guy who made a bundle in whatever going out and flying 135 "for nothing" just to fly. Makes life harder for the rest who are trying to make a go of it for a living.
Not saying anything about that being right or wrong, but the numbers will change because of it.
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04-20-2015 | 09:40 AM
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Yall must be doing fine though, so many rich next door neighbors.
04-20-2015 | 09:44 AM
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04-20-2015 | 09:51 AM
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This is an interesting side track. To what can you credit "our" high success rate? How many engine failures have you dealt with in your career? (Perhaps we should be cutting checks to P&W or GE) How many real no kidding Cat3 approaches have you flown. (Honeywell?) Had any frozen NDB approaches to minimums lately? (Are they even possible in our modern glass cockpits?) How about Oceanic navigation/communication? Taken any cel shots lately? The newbies today probably won't know what it is to go hours trying to call Shanwick on HF trying to get a position report out. (Position report?)
In reality, to us, the vast majority of our flying is no more challenging than a bus driver's. To us.
I am not in any way degrading what we do. Far from it. We work in a more dense airport environment than any of those that came before us, but to take credit for success rates and expect compensation based on that metric alone is a very slippery slope indeed.
In reality, to us, the vast majority of our flying is no more challenging than a bus driver's. To us.
I am not in any way degrading what we do. Far from it. We work in a more dense airport environment than any of those that came before us, but to take credit for success rates and expect compensation based on that metric alone is a very slippery slope indeed.
All true. But with thousands of flights every day I would guess that almost daily a DAL crew goes above and beyond in either Headwork or Airmanship and prevents what could have easily been a much worse outcome.
Yes, a lot of things are easier but so is the required and expected level of performance. If we had similar mishap rates as in the days you describe above planes would be falling from the sky weekly.
I am routinely impressed with the professionalism of my peers.
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04-20-2015 | 10:01 AM
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This is an interesting side track. To what can you credit "our" high success rate? How many engine failures have you dealt with in your career? (Perhaps we should be cutting checks to P&W or GE) How many real no kidding Cat3 approaches have you flown. (Honeywell?) Had any frozen NDB approaches to minimums lately? (Are they even possible in our modern glass cockpits?) How about Oceanic navigation/communication? Taken any cel shots lately? The newbies today probably won't know what it is to go hours trying to call Shanwick on HF trying to get a position report out. (Position report?)
In reality, to us, the vast majority of our flying is no more challenging than a bus driver's. To us.
I am not in any way degrading what we do. Far from it. We work in a more dense airport environment than any of those that came before us, but to take credit for success rates and expect compensation based on that metric alone is a very slippery slope indeed.
In reality, to us, the vast majority of our flying is no more challenging than a bus driver's. To us.
I am not in any way degrading what we do. Far from it. We work in a more dense airport environment than any of those that came before us, but to take credit for success rates and expect compensation based on that metric alone is a very slippery slope indeed.
Let's go back to the point I was making:
Why would we compare ourselves to an attorney, or a doctor anyway? If we were comparing ourselves to either of those, which we shouldn't, we should be compensated proportionally to the certainty of outcome. We should get paid the same as a doctor that almost never loses a patient, or an attorney that wins the vast majority of their cases.
Imagine a doctor @ 99.999999% success rate, or an attorney that could win above 90% of cases. Either one would be paid 7 figures, not 6.
Imagine a doctor @ 99.999999% success rate, or an attorney that could win above 90% of cases. Either one would be paid 7 figures, not 6.
Me too.
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