Cool, looks like AF-KLM is starting some increased flying to the U.S. Makes me think management has assurances from the ALPA insiders that they'll be able to roll the JV grievance into Contract 15.

No surprise there. I also think Delta knew they would not comply with this part of the contract when they signed it..Knowing the punishment would be minimal..Let's see what we get in return for this violation. DPA email estimated $200,000,000 in lost income for Delta pilots.

05-08-2015 | 08:58 AM

#182122

Check Essential

Works Every Weekend

Joined: Dec 2007

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From: 737 ATL

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyZ

Cool, looks like AF-KLM is starting some increased flying to the U.S. Makes me think management has assurances from the ALPA insiders that they'll be able to roll the JV grievance into Contract 15.

The news over the last couple days is fairly ominous.
So bad that I can't bring myself to believe it.
What worries me is I thought the same thing when the C2012 details leaked.

ALPA will be courting disaster if this 9644 rumor is accurate and on top of that they once again rewrite our scope clause and invent yet another useless "global solution" that conveniently allows whatever management wants to do.

05-08-2015 | 10:23 AM

#182123

Al Czervik

You scratched my anchor

Joined: Feb 2011

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**language**
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05-08-2015 | 10:41 AM

#182124

Cogf16

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Posts: 993

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From: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position

Quote:

Originally Posted by Check Essential

9/6/4/4 while keeping PS, adding 1 or 2% to the DC plan and getting AF JV payback would probably pass if voted on today. The PS alone for the next two years could be 20+%. I'm a realist.

05-08-2015 | 11:07 AM

#182125

DeadHead

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Mar 2008

Posts: 2,919

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogf16

9/6/4/4 while keeping PS, adding 1 or 2% to the DC plan and getting AF JV payback would probably pass if voted on today. The PS alone for the next two years could be 20+%. I'm a realist.

If we leave our contract alone, PS alone could be as much as 25%-30% alone without any hourly pay increases. Why rush?
I'm a realist as well.

05-08-2015 | 12:08 PM

#182126

DogWhisperer

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Nov 2008

Posts: 1,004

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From: MD-88 F/O

STR trip tomorrow...tips?

05-08-2015 | 12:24 PM

#182127

Dirtdiver

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Apr 2008

Posts: 791

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From: 767A

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer

STR trip tomorrow...tips?

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05-08-2015 | 12:37 PM

#182128

PilotFrog

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What was the PS before the merger contract? I seem to remember the joint contract changed it before C2012 changed it again.

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05-08-2015 | 01:24 PM

#182129

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

Joined: Apr 2008

Posts: 23,286

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From: Light Chop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogf16

9/6/4/4 while keeping PS, adding 1 or 2% to the DC plan and getting AF JV payback would probably pass if voted on today. The PS alone for the next two years could be 20+%. I'm a realist.

I like 8675309.

Over 4 years.

I think any TA the NC comes out with passes.

05-08-2015 | 01:31 PM

#182130

RockyBoy

Doesn't Get Weekends Off

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Posts: 2,599

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogf16

9/6/4/4 while keeping PS, adding 1 or 2% to the DC plan and getting AF JV payback would probably pass if voted on today. The PS alone for the next two years could be 20+%. I'm a realist.

I'd bet 9/6/4/4 doesn't even come close to a yes this time around. I'm a realist as well and reality says pilots need restoration since we are making 5 BILLION a year in profit and giving shareholders 1.5 of that. If it wasn't for the givebacks of both the north and south guys, there wouldn't be a Delta right now.