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Old 05-08-2015 | 01:46 PM
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Old 05-08-2015 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
If we leave our contract alone, PS alone could be as much as 25%-30% alone without any hourly pay increases. Why rush?
I'm a realist as well.
why, well thats easy, because leaving that much money in someone elses hands for over a year and only if they dont figure out a way to lose it is a bad thing. do the contract first and give us the raises then move a bunch of ps to even higher rates

managment will find a way to f it up, and we will get left holding the bag, no thank you
Old 05-08-2015 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotjockey
why, well thats easy, because leaving that much money in someone elses hands for over a year and only if they dont figure out a way to lose it is a bad thing. do the contract first and give us the raises then move a bunch of ps to even higher rates

managment will find a way to f it up, and we will get left holding the bag, no thank you
That would literally be the definition of cutting one's nose to spite their face. Right now, as it stands, the company has to give away a 20% of every dollar made above $2.5 billion. When considering the amount of profit the company is forecast to make over the next 2-3 years, dragging out this negotiation puts nothing but money in our pocket while management drags their feet.

The company is not about to eliminate profit dramatically while our industry counterparts bring in record profits. The stock price would get a kick in the pants and we all know how investment grade we want to be.
Old 05-08-2015 | 02:29 PM
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No way the company goes in the tank just to reduce profit sharing.
At least not until Sleepy Ed takes over.
Old 05-08-2015 | 05:27 PM
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Hey guys, which aircraft has the most commutable lines out of NY and ATL? Or is it just anyone's guess?
Old 05-08-2015 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Hey guys, which aircraft has the most commutable lines out of NY and ATL? Or is it just anyone's guess?
I can't speak to other categories, but the 88 out of ATL is VERY commuter-friendly. As a junior lineholder, trip trades and swaps can really improve the commutability of your line.

With a little seniority, the 7er out of NYC looked fairly commutable as well.
Old 05-08-2015 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dogismycopilot
I can't speak to other categories, but the 88 out of ATL is VERY commuter-friendly. As a junior lineholder, trip trades and swaps can really improve the commutability of your line.

With a little seniority, the 7er out of NYC looked fairly commutable as well.
Awesome, thank you for the info!
Old 05-08-2015 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
That would literally be the definition of cutting one's nose to spite their face. Right now, as it stands, the company has to give away a 20% of every dollar made above $2.5 billion. When considering the amount of profit the company is forecast to make over the next 2-3 years, dragging out this negotiation puts nothing but money in our pocket while management drags their feet.

The company is not about to eliminate profit dramatically while our industry counterparts bring in record profits. The stock price would get a kick in the pants and we all know how investment grade we want to be.
forecast to make is not the same as a sure thing. if the company is going to pay me 36 grand plus some unknown ps next feb, why not put 3 grand extra in my paycheck every month and get the leftover in feb. give me my money now, i dont trust management or alpo
Old 05-08-2015 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotjockey
forecast to make is not the same as a sure thing. if the company is going to pay me 36 grand plus some unknown ps next feb, why not put 3 grand extra in my paycheck every month and get the leftover in feb. give me my money now, i dont trust management or alpo
The sure thing isn't anywhere near worth the gamble of what we'd be giving away.

So essentially we can either make strides in compensation or profit sharing, but not both. The rumored agreement doesn't even come close to making strides in either.
Old 05-08-2015 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotjockey
forecast to make is not the same as a sure thing. if the company is going to pay me 36 grand plus some unknown ps next feb, why not put 3 grand extra in my paycheck every month and get the leftover in feb. give me my money now, i dont trust management or alpo
so you want guaranteed pay over ps? So you're willing to give up ps for a number? Why do that?

They'd love that so much more than you demanding 36k more a year and ps % unchanged.
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